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you're in the paracast

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the gold standard of paranormal radio

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and now

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here's gene steinberg

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so one sign of getting older is when

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we elderly people

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i'm seeking for myself not for chris

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start speaking about our various

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ailments

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and chris has had some respiratory stuff

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going on for a while and i keep

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referring to it as creeping rot

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which is something

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a phrase i used to use with my old

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friend jim mosley before he really

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became sick you're not suffering from

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that you're suffering from something

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that you got on the native american

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reservation chris i think so the first

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time that i really yeah

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like i got it and i've never been able

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to really shake it it just kind of fades

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away

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i never really actually shake it

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it's

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um pretty nasty my um

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basically my lungs shut down and when it

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gets

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really bad

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and uh

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you know the basilian and my lungs

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freeze basically they

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for some reason they go into like shock

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it's uh

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uncomfortable when it happens so you

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know

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just it ebbs and flows

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this is not a consequence of smoking for

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100 years is it

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no

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i i don't think so

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i first got it what in 2009

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i'm almost positive i keep getting

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reoccurring

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episodes every couple three years

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boom comes comes back and nails me

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but

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i don't really think i ever get rid of

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it i think it just slowly fades away and

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then

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i'm fine for you know the next

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two or three four years even

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and

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oh well

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here we are and there you go

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well and so we are immersed in it i'm

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getting through it i i caught it up

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you know in one of the oldest uh

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gatherings of people in north america

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you know

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so

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you know who knows what kind of paleo

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stuff

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could be hanging around you know the

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babies when i was up there that

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particular

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winter that chalico

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time period

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everybody had the sniffles was coughing

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below zero outside

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and uh the steam just yeah

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the door would open

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you know in the ceremonial house with

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hot sweaty you know some sick indians

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that door would open and the steam would

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just boil out of this place

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it was

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quite surreal

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speaking of surreal our guest last week

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sean korea was a little bit surreal

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um

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this is one of the few times i've seen

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near unanimity

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in listener reactions except one person

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felt you went a little overboard on him

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but this guy

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really seemed to be smoking mirrors he

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had nothing there he supposedly wants to

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set up this program

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to raise a million dollars

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to have these what fast response teams

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that would go out

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and contact e.t

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good luck with that

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yeah

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well i don't know

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i noticed as of last time i checked that

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nobody has

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contributed any further to his gofundme

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campaign

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despite his promises to update the site

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it hasn't been updated

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and we have one of our

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active forum members who's currently

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researching

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some of his credentials he claims to

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have worked with

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forrester research and gartner group

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these are two

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very major companies that do

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surveys in the tech industry

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and if sean korea worked and had high

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profile positions for either we'll get

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confirmation

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well or maybe we have another phil and

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brogno there i don't know i'm not making

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any guesses here okay folks yeah yeah

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yeah don't don't front load

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allow the facts to speak for themselves

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no no facts before the evidence once we

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get the word

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we'll post it in our forums we'll

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mention it on the show in the meantime

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as i said

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he's got a lot to prove it's not our

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obligation to prove that his venture

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can't work

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it's his obligation to prove that it can

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and so far he hasn't updated that site

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you know time will tell we'll we'll just

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you know keep reminding him

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we'll do a

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kind of a

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little email

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program

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remind everybody oh we have to uh

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yeah yeah

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he's the only one i think i've ever met

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who claimed

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that

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stephen grier's

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excursions to

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find e.t

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actually worked no one else ever has

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said that have they

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no no i i disagree uh

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like i said i mean when he first started

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coming to crestone

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the first like three four years

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every time he came there'd be tons of

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activity in in around the valley

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everywhere everywhere but around

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creststone

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there'd be

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stuff popping up all over

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but everywhere except for where greer

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and his group were

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so therefore his

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efforts

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repelled e.t and sent them

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um i thought i told him he forgot to

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it it was bizarre it happened not once

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not twice like three three years in a

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row

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that all sorts of stuff go on everywhere

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around the valley but

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in uh

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you know right there in the baca

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well maybe et resents charging for the

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service oh by the way

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by the way i just checked the anonymous

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uprising

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program

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on gofundme they got another fifty

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dollars

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cool

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and another five dollars so 55 dollars

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and one says here

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at 87 i'm not likely to join any contact

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expeditions but i want to push your work

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forward

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so at this rate i think it'll take what

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30 years for him to get the money

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and we wish him luck speaking of which

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we have a war centered guest

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on the show this week

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and that's erica luke's

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tell us more chris

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um ah where do i begin um

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eric uh

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first kind of popped up on my radar as

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the

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um

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state director of uh the utah mufon

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branch and

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you know of course ron mcgare a

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long-time friend of the show and uh

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a very close and dear friend of mine

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uh i was

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one of erica's predecessors um in terms

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of you know running

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uh mufon there and ron even ran for

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public office a couple of times

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the notorious skinwalker

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ranch district

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um

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erica is a

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fairly i think accomplished uh

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knowledgeable

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field investigator um

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she does seem to know what she's talking

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about and um

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i recently

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had a chance to speak with her

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and get to know her a little bit because

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of the

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recent little controversy that kind of

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sprung up with her name

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kind of loosely attached

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anyway

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we're going to have some fun

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talking with erica also

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talking about the role of women in

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ufology and

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some of the issues that

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she erica has been bringing up

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online and elsewhere

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so

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it should be an interesting

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and i think a thought provoking

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show

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will definitely bring up the matter of

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isaac coy

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and his departure or at least

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semi-departure from the field apparently

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he is lurking

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he's still there but isn't really that

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active anymore it's going to be

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interesting erica luke's

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with gene and chris you're in the

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so erica luke's was champing at the bit

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to get on here with me and chris

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and we were briefly talking to my son

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grayson who was here on a visit from

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madrid and is lurking in the background

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and maybe we'll step up to the mic or

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not

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depending on his point of view

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erica welcome back to the power cast

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well thank you i it's always fun to be

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here and i think the world of you and

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chris who was on my show last week so

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this will be fun

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yeah i was an invited drop-in

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surprise guest

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i know thank you so much that was a that

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was a very nice surprise guest

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i put off my dinner for that definitely

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pleasantly

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that's the only compliment chris is

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going to give me this year so i better

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suck it up well no i i think it it's the

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only time that you've actually ever

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called in on a show

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that was great actually well i'm never

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notified when you're on so

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that's part of it right there

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well you're supposed to say it was

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because it was it was my show and you

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wanted it to be nice and come on

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yeah it was your show and it was nice

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that he uh he came on it was great

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i like that thank you

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good timing

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erica you've been a busy bee since we

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talked to you last

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and some of the

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yeah that has you've gotten involved in

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what we call a typical ufology issue

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i guess we should really get this out of

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the way because

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this

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has been a subject of discussion in our

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forums and elsewhere

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all right so

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we have this researcher from the uk

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isaac coy is a pseudonym

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he says he's a barrister in the uk and

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the sensitivity of his employment or

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whatever he doesn't want to be known to

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be a ufo buff so use it another name

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now this got to be pretty crazy here

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supposedly he was led to believe

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his real name would be exposed erica

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what's going on because your name has

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been linked to some of this

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you know what honestly this was the

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weirdest thing i've ever seen and it all

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started because we were in a private

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facebook conversation we were talking

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about

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chris rotowski posted an article

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that isaac had written about he was

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debunking a photograph an old photograph

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and

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whatever i know it's been everyone's

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debunked it and that's great

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but i made a comment that

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we should

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wait until we read what the author is

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saying about this photo and the new

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information that he supposedly has

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and you know i mean that was that was

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about it and it was kind of at that

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point when

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a couple

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trolls kind of stepped in and started

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being pretty nasty especially towards me

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and that it was just kind of one thing

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after another and

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ted rowe made a

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a point of saying when we have articles

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or when we're talking about things

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typically we have to to verify

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a source

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for things to be yeah i mean that's

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that's what you do in research you

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verify sources and since uh isaac was

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using a pseudonym it was hard to verify

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his source

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so that little bit of and there was much

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much more to the whole conversation

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isaac was never involved in that but

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apparently one of

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his friends and somebody that he hangs

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out with

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took

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that and then posted something pretty

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derogatory on another thread

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about ted and then it just went into

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this big debacle you know where

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people were

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saying that you know ted was going to

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to out him which was never said and

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we've i think pretty publicly said

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where's the proof of this and none has

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been provided

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so it was just an interesting experience

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to see how

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uh conversations taken out of context

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which happens you know i mean that

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happens unfortunately all too much yeah

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as soon as soon as you respond

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it's like watching a football game

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and

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shoving in the middle of the field it's

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always the guy that reacts never the guy

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that does something first he gets busted

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it's the guy that reacts to it

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you know

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yeah

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as soon as you react and take a stand

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on something

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you know certain i guess

486
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percentage of people will take an

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exception to it

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it was so strange and i think that the

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thing that was really

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concerning to both ted and myself is the

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fact that you know

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we started to receive

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all sorts of

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nasty

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comments and in particular there were a

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couple comments threatening ted's life

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on his facebook page okay just before we

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even get that

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well and i want to ask you first of all

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to go back a little bit

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so just to clarify

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this whole thing ted rowe who's also

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with narcap and he has this other

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organization

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erica luke's you didn't threaten or ted

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didn't threaten isaac with disclosure of

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his real name it was some other person

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it was a conversation taken out of

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context and i tetted state he stated

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very

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often that he would not never do that to

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somebody for ethical reasons you know i

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mean he's a good man and i know that

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that is the case and it was

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just a very strange twisting of things i

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think for self-serving purposes and

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it was very bizarre honestly

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now has anyone reached out to isaac and

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said hey

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we didn't do this we're not here to out

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you

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ted did try to to reach out to him um i

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think that

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it it's it's very odd that

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being a professional that somebody

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wouldn't if i heard something like this

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i would reach out to the individual

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on a private message and say hey i heard

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this is what's going on can we talk

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about it like adults that's how i would

531
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choose to do things i i wouldn't get

532
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people stirred up and get them

533
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you know so stirred up that they're uh

534
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threatening other people for god's sakes

535
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i mean i that was just weird it's just

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unacceptable

537
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now the point being here is that you

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mentioned before the statement from ted

539
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rowe

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about verifying your source but in this

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case here

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isaac was not the source he had

543
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dealt with another source but even then

544
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i don't know

545
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what his position is or what his level

546
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of trust is which may not be that much

547
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anymore

548
00:21:36,149 --> 00:21:33,440
but if he was the source of something

549
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the one and final source

550
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and someone said to him as a journalist

551
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i'll keep your name confidential tell me

552
00:21:44,950 --> 00:21:43,520
who you are he may or may not respond

553
00:21:46,230 --> 00:21:44,960
but that's one way to approach the

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subject

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right and i think that you know for

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chris and i had this conversation on on

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my show last week but i think when

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when you're a researcher and and you're

559
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you're out there you you put your name

560
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out there and that's just something that

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we all do at the the risk of you know

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impacting our loved ones or our

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businesses or

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uh

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standing in the community and all of

566
00:22:13,430 --> 00:22:12,080
these things and and that's just how

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what we do

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and if you're simply an archivist then

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that's great you know you don't need to

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verify

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your source but when you're making when

572
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you're coming to conclusions and voicing

573
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your opinions about things

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that's when i think it is important to

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about the brouhaha

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that evidently caused

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isaac coy to leave the ufo field

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in concern that maybe his real identity

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would be disclosed now as i said i don't

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know

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what kind of work he does as a barrister

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he might be working for a private

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corporation

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in which case

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you know i just wonder if he has to when

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he goes to court does he wear that crazy

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wig

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but seriously speaking

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i couldn't resist you know but

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you know there was a british version of

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the american tv show law and order

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called law and order uk

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and so you'd see these normal looking

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lawyers

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except the person who played like the

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equivalent of a d.a here

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he happened to be played by a guy who

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used to play doctor who

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but forget about that you'd see them go

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in court and they wear the

757
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was it the white wig thingy

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but anyway i don't know whether isaac

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has to wear the white wiggy thingy

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but whatever it is you know if he feels

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that it endangers his career in any way

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to be associated with the ufo mess he's

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entitled to that and he should be

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respected and that's he's not doing

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anything illegal

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he's not going out there attacking

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people that's my beginning and end of it

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i do hope he comes back because i did

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see a message from him the other day

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this

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google

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group that he's

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involved with

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that

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he's still more or less running it but

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willing to give it to somebody else so

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he's around

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so if he's listening isaac come on come

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on back we'll protect you we'll try

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all right we don't want you to have to

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be

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suffering embarrassment that's where it

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goes you know i just have to say we

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don't want to feel like we need to be

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threatened

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by

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his followers you know that

788
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kind of nonsense needs to stop

789
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well yeah i think at this point

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if you know if you're being charged or

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accused of something you didn't do

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stop it it's not going to solve anything

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we're all on this big huge team together

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supposedly you know all the ores are in

795
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the water pulling in the same direction

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there really are no problems only

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solutions that we need to agree upon and

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you know

799
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i don't know i think a lot of these

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little dust-ups that

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occur from time to time a lot of it's

802
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just misunderstandings

803
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that i think get blown out of proportion

804
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which is unfortunate but uh

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you know i think we all need to um

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look at the big picture and

807
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find some common ground and and work it

808
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out you know so

809
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rocket science

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i i do know

811
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a couple of rocket scientists and

812
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well ron's a teddy bear he could mediate

813
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anything in anybody

814
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so we're talking here about a mediation

815
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session isaac

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against whoever and ron

817
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i i don't even think it needs to get

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down to that but if it if it needed to

819
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be i yeah i got a rocket scientist and

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do a great job

821
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a couple of side issues

822
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number one here ted rose got this new

823
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organization running but he's still with

824
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narcap

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yes okay explain executive director so

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they're two they function as two

827
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different i mean they're two completely

828
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different things so narcap obviously is

829
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focusing on the aviation

830
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angle of things and then the

831
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international association of uap

832
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research is trying to pull in

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different people

834
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scientists

835
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people in academia to

836
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to write papers and to critically think

837
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about issues

838
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so they're two different organizations

839
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that will actually work to support

840
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each other and i think it will be really

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needed and it's it's great

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843
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i think i think good things are

844
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happening

845
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isn't that something really that a group

846
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such as mufon should have done all along

847
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i mean mufon's been around since 1969.

848
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and i know you used to be with mufon but

849
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you're no longer with them or what

850
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no i i resigned oh my gosh about eight

851
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months ago so i

852
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,640
you know i we only have so much time on

853
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,720
the planet or to put into this and i

854
00:33:34,149 --> 00:33:32,080
wanted to be

855
00:33:35,750 --> 00:33:34,159
in an organization or to do something

856
00:33:37,269 --> 00:33:35,760
that was a little bit more

857
00:33:39,830 --> 00:33:37,279
proactive

858
00:33:41,990 --> 00:33:39,840
and i you know and and i think that's

859
00:33:43,430 --> 00:33:42,000
it's important it's where we need to go

860
00:33:47,430 --> 00:33:43,440
we need to

861
00:33:49,990 --> 00:33:47,440
take take active steps to analyze data

862
00:33:52,549 --> 00:33:50,000
to be transparent to

863
00:33:54,070 --> 00:33:52,559
work together and to try to to address

864
00:33:57,110 --> 00:33:54,080
this instead of you know i think

865
00:33:58,950 --> 00:33:57,120
sometimes as a as researchers or people

866
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,960
that are investigating this we have this

867
00:34:03,430 --> 00:34:00,559
tendency to

868
00:34:04,470 --> 00:34:03,440
look at an isolated case and to throw

869
00:34:06,470 --> 00:34:04,480
out

870
00:34:08,230 --> 00:34:06,480
the bigger picture and i think that

871
00:34:09,990 --> 00:34:08,240
that's something that we need to get

872
00:34:11,510 --> 00:34:10,000
over because there's a bigger picture

873
00:34:13,510 --> 00:34:11,520
here and there has been one for a long

874
00:34:15,430 --> 00:34:13,520
long time

875
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:15,440
well that sounds to me like we shouldn't

876
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,200
be emphasizing roswell all the time

877
00:34:24,230 --> 00:34:22,320
i could not agree with you more

878
00:34:26,470 --> 00:34:24,240
now just tell our listeners here next

879
00:34:27,909 --> 00:34:26,480
week on the power cast

880
00:34:29,510 --> 00:34:27,919
we'll have a return appearance from

881
00:34:31,750 --> 00:34:29,520
kevin d randall

882
00:34:33,669 --> 00:34:31,760
whom i've known i think 20 or 30 years

883
00:34:35,909 --> 00:34:33,679
now i forget you know we wave at each

884
00:34:37,030 --> 00:34:35,919
other at ufo conventions or something

885
00:34:39,190 --> 00:34:37,040
and we talk

886
00:34:41,349 --> 00:34:39,200
and he's written a million books

887
00:34:43,829 --> 00:34:41,359
not a million books with quite a few on

888
00:34:45,669 --> 00:34:43,839
ufos he's also written science fiction

889
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:45,679
by the way and he's got a new book

890
00:34:50,790 --> 00:34:48,639
called roswell in the 21st century

891
00:34:53,510 --> 00:34:50,800
and a lot of people said

892
00:34:55,750 --> 00:34:53,520
or saying and we've got the

893
00:34:57,670 --> 00:34:55,760
copy the online copy of the book that

894
00:34:59,510 --> 00:34:57,680
chris and i have now

895
00:35:01,670 --> 00:34:59,520
a lot of people are saying that in this

896
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:01,680
book he recants

897
00:35:05,430 --> 00:35:02,960
a lot

898
00:35:06,790 --> 00:35:05,440
of the roswell testimony and i'll give

899
00:35:08,630 --> 00:35:06,800
you a couple of examples because i've

900
00:35:10,630 --> 00:35:08,640
read these segments number one

901
00:35:11,910 --> 00:35:10,640
there were eight different people drum

902
00:35:14,550 --> 00:35:11,920
roll please

903
00:35:20,150 --> 00:35:14,560
drum roll well okay

904
00:35:24,310 --> 00:35:22,790
okay let's have a double paradiddle now

905
00:35:28,550 --> 00:35:24,320
the

906
00:35:29,670 --> 00:35:28,560
witnesses who claimed

907
00:35:31,430 --> 00:35:29,680
that

908
00:35:33,750 --> 00:35:31,440
creatures were seen in connection with

909
00:35:35,270 --> 00:35:33,760
roswell he did not find any of them

910
00:35:37,030 --> 00:35:35,280
credible so there's no evidence that

911
00:35:41,030 --> 00:35:37,040
anyone saw creatures in connection with

912
00:35:43,910 --> 00:35:41,040
roswell of course he's long attacked

913
00:35:45,910 --> 00:35:43,920
such things as the mj-12 documents the

914
00:35:48,390 --> 00:35:45,920
eisenhower briefing document that sort

915
00:35:50,790 --> 00:35:48,400
of thing he also points out

916
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,800
that william moore remember him he was

917
00:35:55,109 --> 00:35:52,560
one of the co-authors of the very first

918
00:35:57,910 --> 00:35:55,119
roswell book with charles burles he had

919
00:36:01,510 --> 00:35:57,920
written a sci-fi novel that sort of

920
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:01,520
predicted mj 12 several years before

921
00:36:06,470 --> 00:36:04,079
it happened so there's a

922
00:36:08,069 --> 00:36:06,480
suspicion being cast there

923
00:36:09,910 --> 00:36:08,079
but in general

924
00:36:11,109 --> 00:36:09,920
randall's conclusion which he'll explain

925
00:36:13,190 --> 00:36:11,119
next week but this has already been

926
00:36:16,150 --> 00:36:13,200
publicized so i'll mention it i'll ask

927
00:36:17,349 --> 00:36:16,160
erica's view on the other side after the

928
00:36:19,589 --> 00:36:17,359
break

929
00:36:21,829 --> 00:36:19,599
his basic view is that

930
00:36:23,510 --> 00:36:21,839
it's not a mogul balloon

931
00:36:25,190 --> 00:36:23,520
there's no evidence at this point that's

932
00:36:28,230 --> 00:36:25,200
a spaceship but he doesn't know what it

933
00:36:29,990 --> 00:36:28,240
is let's leave it there

934
00:36:31,829 --> 00:36:30,000
and it's a pretty interesting thing

935
00:36:33,990 --> 00:36:31,839
though he's gone back and gone through

936
00:36:35,910 --> 00:36:34,000
all the major evidence he's got like 700

937
00:36:37,910 --> 00:36:35,920
different references in this book

938
00:36:40,870 --> 00:36:37,920
so he's done a lot of work on it more to

939
00:36:41,990 --> 00:36:40,880
come with erika

940
00:36:44,950 --> 00:36:42,000
what'd you say

941
00:36:46,710 --> 00:36:44,960
it must have been the nazis

942
00:36:48,950 --> 00:36:46,720
more to come with erica luke's and gene

943
00:36:54,790 --> 00:36:48,960
and chris as soon as chris recovers

944
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this is jerome clark author of the ufo

1054
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encyclopedia in other books you're

1055
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listening to the purecast

1056
00:41:35,190 --> 00:41:32,390
so what's happened here is chris has

1057
00:41:38,550 --> 00:41:35,200
become one of the nazi spies

1058
00:41:41,829 --> 00:41:38,560
who created a test aircraft in world war

1059
00:41:43,030 --> 00:41:41,839
ii that was the roswell

1060
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:43,040
object

1061
00:41:45,430 --> 00:41:44,240
okay

1062
00:41:49,750 --> 00:41:45,440
yeah

1063
00:41:52,390 --> 00:41:49,760
well

1064
00:41:54,630 --> 00:41:52,400
there's a lot of interesting research

1065
00:41:57,349 --> 00:41:54,640
that's been dug up by peop

1066
00:41:58,390 --> 00:41:57,359
people like joseph farrell

1067
00:42:00,630 --> 00:41:58,400
that

1068
00:42:01,670 --> 00:42:00,640
definitely deserves

1069
00:42:05,430 --> 00:42:01,680
i think

1070
00:42:08,150 --> 00:42:05,440
everyone's attention um looking at

1071
00:42:11,270 --> 00:42:08,160
technology as it existed

1072
00:42:14,230 --> 00:42:11,280
in the mid to late 40s

1073
00:42:16,390 --> 00:42:14,240
a lot of stuff they had to create

1074
00:42:18,710 --> 00:42:16,400
the apparatus to hold

1075
00:42:19,829 --> 00:42:18,720
a lot of things secret

1076
00:42:23,190 --> 00:42:19,839
which is

1077
00:42:25,829 --> 00:42:23,200
why you have the creation of the

1078
00:42:29,030 --> 00:42:25,839
cia and the whole national security

1079
00:42:31,589 --> 00:42:29,040
state basically is formed around

1080
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:31,599
possibly uh

1081
00:42:36,630 --> 00:42:34,000
levels of technology that have been

1082
00:42:38,790 --> 00:42:36,640
classified ever since so

1083
00:42:40,550 --> 00:42:38,800
there's a lot of really good research a

1084
00:42:42,309 --> 00:42:40,560
lot of people have been digging into

1085
00:42:44,230 --> 00:42:42,319
this whole

1086
00:42:46,550 --> 00:42:44,240
you know some people would say breakaway

1087
00:42:49,349 --> 00:42:46,560
civilization whatever

1088
00:42:50,870 --> 00:42:49,359
uh i find it very very intriguing on

1089
00:42:53,750 --> 00:42:50,880
myself

1090
00:42:55,670 --> 00:42:53,760
i don't really waste much

1091
00:42:59,750 --> 00:42:55,680
time on it but um

1092
00:43:02,470 --> 00:42:59,760
i think i think anyone that does

1093
00:43:05,349 --> 00:43:02,480
coalesce a lot of these sources together

1094
00:43:07,670 --> 00:43:05,359
you find very interesting stuff

1095
00:43:10,550 --> 00:43:07,680
i like to think here

1096
00:43:13,910 --> 00:43:10,560
that if that's the case with roswell it

1097
00:43:15,270 --> 00:43:13,920
also explains a lot of early ufo cases

1098
00:43:18,630 --> 00:43:15,280
don't you think

1099
00:43:21,349 --> 00:43:18,640
it it it very well could

1100
00:43:24,230 --> 00:43:21,359
it very well could so jim mosley when he

1101
00:43:26,790 --> 00:43:24,240
used to favor the earth theory

1102
00:43:33,589 --> 00:43:26,800
back in the 50s and early 60s jim mosley

1103
00:43:38,829 --> 00:43:36,480
there's a lot of really interesting

1104
00:43:42,150 --> 00:43:38,839
[Music]

1105
00:43:44,790 --> 00:43:42,160
information that's been uncovered

1106
00:43:46,470 --> 00:43:44,800
pertaining to

1107
00:43:49,190 --> 00:43:46,480
again the creation of the national

1108
00:43:50,550 --> 00:43:49,200
security state

1109
00:43:52,790 --> 00:43:50,560
and

1110
00:43:56,230 --> 00:43:52,800
how that compartmentalized certain sets

1111
00:43:59,270 --> 00:43:56,240
of information i think and

1112
00:44:01,190 --> 00:43:59,280
to what extent i don't know

1113
00:44:03,109 --> 00:44:01,200
do we have crash saucers are we back

1114
00:44:06,470 --> 00:44:03,119
engineering and stuff i i personally

1115
00:44:11,510 --> 00:44:09,430
we may have something but i don't think

1116
00:44:14,230 --> 00:44:11,520
we have a clue

1117
00:44:17,670 --> 00:44:14,240
of how to interact with it it's probably

1118
00:44:20,550 --> 00:44:19,430
so

1119
00:44:22,950 --> 00:44:20,560
you know

1120
00:44:26,470 --> 00:44:22,960
somebody's not in control and that's

1121
00:44:28,950 --> 00:44:26,480
always a kind of a

1122
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a bad word

1123
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uh

1124
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you know for governments not to be in

1125
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control is not the way it's supposed to

1126
00:44:36,710 --> 00:44:35,440
be so

1127
00:44:37,510 --> 00:44:36,720
anyway i

1128
00:44:44,630 --> 00:44:37,520
i

1129
00:44:47,510 --> 00:44:44,640
oh

1130
00:44:50,230 --> 00:44:47,520
boy which subject there's so many to

1131
00:44:53,190 --> 00:44:50,240
choose from

1132
00:44:55,510 --> 00:44:53,200
i do think that you know like right now

1133
00:44:57,990 --> 00:44:55,520
for me looking back i've been fortunate

1134
00:45:01,109 --> 00:44:58,000
enough to receive some of the old

1135
00:45:03,349 --> 00:45:01,119
blue book cases specifically with regard

1136
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:03,359
to what's taking place in utah what has

1137
00:45:07,829 --> 00:45:05,520
taken place in utah and you know all

1138
00:45:09,990 --> 00:45:07,839
around that the time of for a little bit

1139
00:45:13,190 --> 00:45:10,000
after the roswell

1140
00:45:14,710 --> 00:45:13,200
crash sighting um it is very curious to

1141
00:45:16,870 --> 00:45:14,720
me when i look back at some of these

1142
00:45:18,390 --> 00:45:16,880
cases and a couple of them that i've

1143
00:45:20,470 --> 00:45:18,400
been looking at them and obviously we've

1144
00:45:21,829 --> 00:45:20,480
got the delbert newhouse

1145
00:45:24,470 --> 00:45:21,839
treemonten

1146
00:45:26,870 --> 00:45:24,480
case bluebook case that was incredibly

1147
00:45:27,990 --> 00:45:26,880
interesting and then a pilot woody

1148
00:45:31,109 --> 00:45:28,000
harris

1149
00:45:33,750 --> 00:45:31,119
who observed he was flying and observed

1150
00:45:35,910 --> 00:45:33,760
an object that he tried to follow in his

1151
00:45:37,910 --> 00:45:35,920
aircraft and there were ground observers

1152
00:45:40,230 --> 00:45:37,920
too so i've been looking at all of

1153
00:45:42,710 --> 00:45:40,240
these cases and going back over

1154
00:45:45,109 --> 00:45:42,720
newspaper clippings from

1155
00:45:46,630 --> 00:45:45,119
every publication here in utah during

1156
00:45:49,430 --> 00:45:46,640
that time and

1157
00:45:50,710 --> 00:45:49,440
you know it's it's been fascinating to

1158
00:45:51,750 --> 00:45:50,720
see

1159
00:45:54,069 --> 00:45:51,760
how many

1160
00:45:55,510 --> 00:45:54,079
them in

1161
00:45:57,750 --> 00:45:55,520
the context with the current day

1162
00:45:58,790 --> 00:45:57,760
sightings how much is is

1163
00:46:01,270 --> 00:45:58,800
really

1164
00:46:03,910 --> 00:46:01,280
quite similar to what took place

1165
00:46:05,510 --> 00:46:03,920
back in the 40s and 50s

1166
00:46:08,790 --> 00:46:05,520
it's pretty staggering

1167
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,589
so

1168
00:46:15,270 --> 00:46:11,839
do you see

1169
00:46:17,990 --> 00:46:15,280
correlations of siding waves

1170
00:46:19,670 --> 00:46:18,000
centered around the inner basement or

1171
00:46:21,670 --> 00:46:19,680
centered more up

1172
00:46:23,829 --> 00:46:21,680
north and west

1173
00:46:25,190 --> 00:46:23,839
up into

1174
00:46:26,710 --> 00:46:25,200
you know the

1175
00:46:28,630 --> 00:46:26,720
salt lake region

1176
00:46:31,349 --> 00:46:28,640
you know there are obviously the uinta

1177
00:46:33,270 --> 00:46:31,359
basin has always been and will always be

1178
00:46:35,270 --> 00:46:33,280
a hot spot

1179
00:46:37,670 --> 00:46:35,280
of activity and

1180
00:46:39,430 --> 00:46:37,680
from what i understand i was on

1181
00:46:42,230 --> 00:46:39,440
coast to coast a couple weeks ago with

1182
00:46:44,790 --> 00:46:42,240
george knapp things are picking back up

1183
00:46:46,790 --> 00:46:44,800
in the skinwalker area skinwalker ranch

1184
00:46:48,870 --> 00:46:46,800
and then you went to basin again but

1185
00:46:51,510 --> 00:46:48,880
then there's also

1186
00:46:52,710 --> 00:46:51,520
in the in the salt lake valley you've

1187
00:46:55,430 --> 00:46:52,720
got

1188
00:46:58,870 --> 00:46:55,440
repeated sightings i mean decades worth

1189
00:47:01,589 --> 00:46:58,880
of sightings in specific areas and a lot

1190
00:47:04,870 --> 00:47:01,599
of those areas are around kennecott

1191
00:47:06,710 --> 00:47:04,880
copper mine and then hill air force base

1192
00:47:09,190 --> 00:47:06,720
and then the great salt lake and then

1193
00:47:10,790 --> 00:47:09,200
you've got dugway proving ground and so

1194
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,800
you've got

1195
00:47:14,710 --> 00:47:12,960
specific places where you're seeing the

1196
00:47:15,750 --> 00:47:14,720
same types of objects so you've either

1197
00:47:18,230 --> 00:47:15,760
got the

1198
00:47:21,670 --> 00:47:18,240
amber spheres or during the day you've

1199
00:47:23,670 --> 00:47:21,680
got the the white metallic spheres that

1200
00:47:26,390 --> 00:47:23,680
typically travel in

1201
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:26,400
in groups that move into unison

1202
00:47:31,910 --> 00:47:29,359
and have the capacity to

1203
00:47:35,030 --> 00:47:31,920
you know stop dead and and take off at

1204
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:35,040
speeds that are not possible

1205
00:47:37,270 --> 00:47:36,400
with human

1206
00:47:39,190 --> 00:47:37,280
human

1207
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:39,200
objects so it's it's

1208
00:47:43,829 --> 00:47:41,200
it's curious and then you look at this

1209
00:47:45,750 --> 00:47:43,839
not only here in utah but you look at

1210
00:47:48,069 --> 00:47:45,760
these types of sightings that have been

1211
00:47:49,430 --> 00:47:48,079
seen in specific places all over the

1212
00:47:52,550 --> 00:47:49,440
world

1213
00:47:53,990 --> 00:47:52,560
and there is a lot of similarity and

1214
00:47:55,510 --> 00:47:54,000
that's what's so intriguing to me and

1215
00:47:56,950 --> 00:47:55,520
it's it's fun

1216
00:47:59,589 --> 00:47:56,960
to speak with other people like you

1217
00:48:01,670 --> 00:47:59,599
chris who's done work in in your

1218
00:48:03,910 --> 00:48:01,680
area some really groundbreaking work and

1219
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:03,920
to see what people have to offer and

1220
00:48:09,190 --> 00:48:05,520
what are you know what are the

1221
00:48:10,790 --> 00:48:09,200
correlations what are the commonalities

1222
00:48:12,230 --> 00:48:10,800
yeah yeah it's

1223
00:48:13,910 --> 00:48:12,240
oh man i

1224
00:48:16,470 --> 00:48:13,920
i mean there were literally were

1225
00:48:19,670 --> 00:48:16,480
weekends where for instance

1226
00:48:22,790 --> 00:48:19,680
sedona would have an outbreak of

1227
00:48:27,190 --> 00:48:22,800
a particular type of

1228
00:48:30,150 --> 00:48:27,200
described uh phenomenon and invariably

1229
00:48:32,549 --> 00:48:30,160
the same exact thing would break out

1230
00:48:34,230 --> 00:48:32,559
you know up in colorado in my neck of

1231
00:48:37,510 --> 00:48:34,240
the woods

1232
00:48:39,430 --> 00:48:37,520
and i talked uh with tom dongle or

1233
00:48:41,990 --> 00:48:39,440
one of a couple of other people down in

1234
00:48:44,470 --> 00:48:42,000
sedona area and find out that the same

1235
00:48:49,190 --> 00:48:44,480
exact thing was being reported

1236
00:48:56,069 --> 00:48:52,309
even one weekend where

1237
00:48:58,230 --> 00:48:56,079
both sedona and the san luis valley had

1238
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:58,240
an air force jet crash

1239
00:49:03,430 --> 00:49:00,559
and start a forest fire

1240
00:49:05,990 --> 00:49:03,440
happened down here um

1241
00:49:09,589 --> 00:49:06,000
now in arizona and then

1242
00:49:11,750 --> 00:49:09,599
back up where i was at the time in um

1243
00:49:13,470 --> 00:49:11,760
in the san luis valley i forget i think

1244
00:49:16,790 --> 00:49:13,480
it was

1245
00:49:18,630 --> 00:49:16,800
96 i think

1246
00:49:21,190 --> 00:49:18,640
i have to go back and check

1247
00:49:23,670 --> 00:49:21,200
so much stuff happened

1248
00:49:25,589 --> 00:49:23,680
but we had the same exact

1249
00:49:28,470 --> 00:49:25,599
thing happen in both places plus the

1250
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:28,480
same kind of sighting activity

1251
00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:30,400
was being reported

1252
00:49:34,390 --> 00:49:32,000
go figure

1253
00:49:36,630 --> 00:49:34,400
again that's so interesting and i'm i'm

1254
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:36,640
glad that you know you're you have the

1255
00:49:39,910 --> 00:49:38,319
foresight to

1256
00:49:42,630 --> 00:49:39,920
to communicate with other people and

1257
00:49:44,870 --> 00:49:42,640
that's the thing when i was um involved

1258
00:49:47,109 --> 00:49:44,880
with mufon that was the most

1259
00:49:48,710 --> 00:49:47,119
frustrating for me is the fact that we

1260
00:49:51,349 --> 00:49:48,720
were all

1261
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,359
very isolated and instead we were

1262
00:49:57,109 --> 00:49:54,000
working as you know in a region and not

1263
00:49:58,790 --> 00:49:57,119
looking at not contacting somebody or

1264
00:50:00,390 --> 00:49:58,800
looking at the database and saying wait

1265
00:50:02,870 --> 00:50:00,400
a minute here

1266
00:50:05,430 --> 00:50:02,880
you saw the same stuff at the same time

1267
00:50:08,790 --> 00:50:05,440
this behaving the same way

1268
00:50:11,349 --> 00:50:08,800
and if if we don't if we don't bounce

1269
00:50:13,349 --> 00:50:11,359
ideas off of each other and and realize

1270
00:50:15,589 --> 00:50:13,359
this is a larger problem then we'll

1271
00:50:19,430 --> 00:50:15,599
never make breakthroughs

1272
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:19,440
yeah i i absolutely agree um

1273
00:50:22,150 --> 00:50:21,280
it was getting

1274
00:50:24,790 --> 00:50:22,160
so

1275
00:50:26,870 --> 00:50:24,800
kind of ridiculous of how much i was

1276
00:50:28,950 --> 00:50:26,880
dealing with in terms of

1277
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:28,960
purported activity people reporting

1278
00:50:31,349 --> 00:50:30,160
things

1279
00:50:32,950 --> 00:50:31,359
that it was

1280
00:50:35,030 --> 00:50:32,960
i was actually starting to create

1281
00:50:35,910 --> 00:50:35,040
predictive models

1282
00:50:38,710 --> 00:50:35,920
and

1283
00:50:41,190 --> 00:50:38,720
at one point i really felt that i

1284
00:50:45,190 --> 00:50:41,200
had kind of zeroed in on

1285
00:50:46,230 --> 00:50:45,200
for some reason a moon phase correlation

1286
00:50:50,150 --> 00:50:46,240
and

1287
00:50:52,630 --> 00:50:50,160
you know i didn't really tell anybody

1288
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,640
about it but i watched it you know

1289
00:50:57,910 --> 00:50:55,760
they watched it unfold and uh

1290
00:51:00,309 --> 00:50:57,920
as soon as i said something to somebody

1291
00:51:03,750 --> 00:51:00,319
then the thing did a 180

1292
00:51:05,910 --> 00:51:03,760
and absolutely did the exact opposite

1293
00:51:06,630 --> 00:51:05,920
it seemed interesting

1294
00:51:09,030 --> 00:51:06,640
yeah

1295
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,040
maybe the t doesn't like you chris

1296
00:51:12,630 --> 00:51:10,880
that's what it is he doesn't like you

1297
00:51:15,030 --> 00:51:12,640
chris we have to

1298
00:51:17,109 --> 00:51:15,040
run in a couple of seconds here

1299
00:51:18,150 --> 00:51:17,119
and i just want to mention we have just

1300
00:51:19,510 --> 00:51:18,160
learned

1301
00:51:21,750 --> 00:51:19,520
here from

1302
00:51:25,589 --> 00:51:21,760
leslie kane about an article she wrote

1303
00:51:28,309 --> 00:51:25,599
for huffington post about a ufo video

1304
00:51:29,910 --> 00:51:28,319
taken by the navy in chile

1305
00:51:31,829 --> 00:51:29,920
it's a brand new case although i guess

1306
00:51:33,430 --> 00:51:31,839
it occurred a couple of years ago it's

1307
00:51:35,030 --> 00:51:33,440
supposed to be very significant i'll go

1308
00:51:38,150 --> 00:51:35,040
into that and we'll go back to the

1309
00:51:39,910 --> 00:51:38,160
research that chris and erica are

1310
00:51:50,470 --> 00:51:39,920
talking about with gene and chris you're

1311
00:51:53,990 --> 00:51:52,320
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1366
00:54:13,910 --> 00:54:10,240
welcome back to the paracast the gold

1367
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1368
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and now

1369
00:54:21,990 --> 00:54:18,520
here's gene steinberg

1370
00:54:27,190 --> 00:54:24,630
so just i was mentioning here

1371
00:54:29,190 --> 00:54:27,200
it's the article epic huffington post

1372
00:54:32,150 --> 00:54:29,200
written by leslie kane

1373
00:54:35,109 --> 00:54:32,160
and it's fascinating here because she

1374
00:54:36,150 --> 00:54:35,119
says the video is amazing and she wrote

1375
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:36,160
maybe

1376
00:54:40,230 --> 00:54:37,599
it would be of interest

1377
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:40,240
to your forearm of course it is but it's

1378
00:54:44,309 --> 00:54:42,240
also possible here

1379
00:54:45,510 --> 00:54:44,319
that we might get a guest

1380
00:54:47,910 --> 00:54:45,520
from chile

1381
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:47,920
to tell us more about this case yeah

1382
00:54:50,790 --> 00:54:49,280
that'd be good

1383
00:54:52,630 --> 00:54:50,800
i'm gonna put it up in the forums in the

1384
00:54:54,390 --> 00:54:52,640
next couple of days and we'll work on

1385
00:54:56,630 --> 00:54:54,400
something probably for later this month

1386
00:54:58,470 --> 00:54:56,640
we have to coordinate work schedules and

1387
00:55:00,790 --> 00:54:58,480
everything right but this would be

1388
00:55:02,790 --> 00:55:00,800
interesting is it yeah i just want to

1389
00:55:04,549 --> 00:55:02,800
ask you where specifically in chile did

1390
00:55:07,430 --> 00:55:04,559
this take place

1391
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,440
i just got the link from leslie

1392
00:55:11,510 --> 00:55:09,760
and i'm looking right now

1393
00:55:14,309 --> 00:55:11,520
it was

1394
00:55:15,670 --> 00:55:14,319
flying north along the coast west of

1395
00:55:18,710 --> 00:55:15,680
santiago

1396
00:55:21,109 --> 00:55:18,720
on november 11 2014. you know it's

1397
00:55:23,589 --> 00:55:21,119
interesting that you bring that up we uh

1398
00:55:25,270 --> 00:55:23,599
here in utah we have the great salt lake

1399
00:55:27,510 --> 00:55:25,280
and and some of the

1400
00:55:30,790 --> 00:55:27,520
the mineral and rare earth content is

1401
00:55:31,670 --> 00:55:30,800
very similar to katakana region in chile

1402
00:55:35,510 --> 00:55:31,680
and

1403
00:55:37,349 --> 00:55:35,520
his father

1404
00:55:38,390 --> 00:55:37,359
was and one is the he was one of the

1405
00:55:41,270 --> 00:55:38,400
world's

1406
00:55:43,670 --> 00:55:41,280
uh foremost sought after lithium

1407
00:55:47,750 --> 00:55:43,680
engineers and he would go to chile

1408
00:55:50,309 --> 00:55:47,760
and into these remote parts in atacama

1409
00:55:53,109 --> 00:55:50,319
desert where they were processing

1410
00:55:55,430 --> 00:55:53,119
lithium and it was interesting to hear

1411
00:55:57,270 --> 00:55:55,440
little bits and pieces of

1412
00:56:00,309 --> 00:55:57,280
stories from people that were working

1413
00:56:01,670 --> 00:56:00,319
out there about ufo sightings

1414
00:56:03,990 --> 00:56:01,680
yeah i guess if you're going to mine

1415
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,000
anything lithium would be

1416
00:56:07,670 --> 00:56:06,720
a pleasant it would be a pleasant sort

1417
00:56:10,870 --> 00:56:07,680
of

1418
00:56:14,829 --> 00:56:12,870
you know just make sure

1419
00:56:17,190 --> 00:56:14,839
you catch most of it with the

1420
00:56:19,190 --> 00:56:17,200
respirator yeah right

1421
00:56:21,349 --> 00:56:19,200
but is that is i always think that's so

1422
00:56:24,069 --> 00:56:21,359
interesting to me i've been trying to

1423
00:56:26,710 --> 00:56:24,079
figure out why why these objects are

1424
00:56:28,789 --> 00:56:26,720
appearing in specific areas and i really

1425
00:56:30,789 --> 00:56:28,799
feel chris and i think you you do too

1426
00:56:32,789 --> 00:56:30,799
that they're utilizing

1427
00:56:35,349 --> 00:56:32,799
something for energy uh they're

1428
00:56:39,589 --> 00:56:35,359
utilizing our resources right now

1429
00:56:42,390 --> 00:56:39,599
understand here lithium not dilithium

1430
00:56:45,750 --> 00:56:42,400
lithium well or it could be tri and

1431
00:56:50,069 --> 00:56:48,150
there's a lithium hot springs in the san

1432
00:56:53,510 --> 00:56:50,079
luis valley

1433
00:56:56,630 --> 00:56:53,520
where um back in 1991

1434
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:56,640
we had a number of landings

1435
00:57:02,710 --> 00:56:59,280
out right at the at the place where the

1436
00:57:05,349 --> 00:57:02,720
140 degree water comes out of the earth

1437
00:57:06,630 --> 00:57:05,359
there are landings of of a craft uh out

1438
00:57:09,190 --> 00:57:06,640
there

1439
00:57:11,030 --> 00:57:09,200
which is one of the first

1440
00:57:14,470 --> 00:57:11,040
cases that i heard about that i actually

1441
00:57:15,990 --> 00:57:14,480
kind of went and checked out

1442
00:57:17,829 --> 00:57:16,000
so

1443
00:57:19,510 --> 00:57:17,839
i i always

1444
00:57:21,190 --> 00:57:19,520
found that interesting that it's a

1445
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:21,200
lithium hot spring

1446
00:57:26,549 --> 00:57:23,839
that is interesting yeah

1447
00:57:29,589 --> 00:57:26,559
huh we'd always have to

1448
00:57:31,829 --> 00:57:29,599
you know flip to see who who would drive

1449
00:57:33,750 --> 00:57:31,839
because nobody liked to drive after we

1450
00:57:36,230 --> 00:57:33,760
soak in there

1451
00:57:38,950 --> 00:57:36,240
because the drive home uh

1452
00:57:41,109 --> 00:57:38,960
you know you really have had to uh

1453
00:57:43,430 --> 00:57:41,119
you know have your wits about you

1454
00:57:46,549 --> 00:57:43,440
because it was a very

1455
00:57:48,710 --> 00:57:46,559
uh overly relaxing shall we say

1456
00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,720
um after about i could only do about a

1457
00:57:51,670 --> 00:57:50,400
half hour really

1458
00:57:53,270 --> 00:57:51,680
myself

1459
00:57:55,349 --> 00:57:53,280
other people could you know be in there

1460
00:57:57,430 --> 00:57:55,359
all day and then

1461
00:57:58,470 --> 00:57:57,440
kind of walk around in la la land for a

1462
00:58:01,030 --> 00:57:58,480
while

1463
00:58:03,990 --> 00:58:01,040
this is before you suffered your

1464
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,000
illness at the reservation

1465
00:58:08,390 --> 00:58:07,040
but oh this is yeah 20 20 years ago back

1466
00:58:11,190 --> 00:58:08,400
in colorado

1467
00:58:12,870 --> 00:58:11,200
would have a curative effect

1468
00:58:14,789 --> 00:58:12,880
yeah very much so

1469
00:58:17,270 --> 00:58:14,799
well you've got your assignment next

1470
00:58:20,390 --> 00:58:17,280
time you get back there

1471
00:58:23,430 --> 00:58:20,400
yeah the only let's dunk chris

1472
00:58:25,589 --> 00:58:23,440
something about uh 80

1473
00:58:26,950 --> 00:58:25,599
8 000 something

1474
00:58:29,190 --> 00:58:26,960
feet

1475
00:58:32,710 --> 00:58:29,200
it's way up there oh that's it's out of

1476
00:58:37,430 --> 00:58:32,720
my league i'm not going way up anywhere

1477
00:58:40,150 --> 00:58:37,440
yeah it's 50 higher than denver

1478
00:58:42,470 --> 00:58:40,160
i haven't even been to denver folks

1479
00:58:44,470 --> 00:58:42,480
you haven't no

1480
00:58:46,230 --> 00:58:44,480
wow

1481
00:58:50,950 --> 00:58:46,240
that airport just going to the airport

1482
00:58:55,990 --> 00:58:50,960
in and of itself is a trip so

1483
00:58:58,789 --> 00:58:56,000
i just shut to think about dia

1484
00:59:00,150 --> 00:58:58,799
it's an interesting one for sure

1485
00:59:02,069 --> 00:59:00,160
yeah

1486
00:59:04,630 --> 00:59:02,079
but chris i just you know i'm sorry to

1487
00:59:07,190 --> 00:59:04,640
just kind of jump in here but i that for

1488
00:59:09,430 --> 00:59:07,200
me talking about these correlations in

1489
00:59:10,710 --> 00:59:09,440
different areas is so intriguing and

1490
00:59:11,510 --> 00:59:10,720
when you

1491
00:59:15,589 --> 00:59:11,520
were

1492
00:59:16,950 --> 00:59:15,599
seeing the the nocturnal lights the

1493
00:59:19,910 --> 00:59:16,960
lower level

1494
00:59:21,670 --> 00:59:19,920
uh orbs spheres of of lights you were

1495
00:59:24,789 --> 00:59:21,680
getting lots of reports on those and did

1496
00:59:26,789 --> 00:59:24,799
you feel that they were

1497
00:59:28,710 --> 00:59:26,799
in specific places were there fault

1498
00:59:35,589 --> 00:59:28,720
lines were there

1499
00:59:40,630 --> 00:59:36,630
and

1500
00:59:43,510 --> 00:59:40,640
the thing that would always be the um

1501
00:59:45,270 --> 00:59:43,520
sort of a pre-stage

1502
00:59:47,109 --> 00:59:45,280
event would be these things i called the

1503
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:47,119
cheap fireworks

1504
00:59:51,190 --> 00:59:49,520
like giant bottle rockets completely

1505
00:59:53,349 --> 00:59:51,200
silent

1506
00:59:54,140 --> 00:59:53,359
and

1507
00:59:55,670 --> 00:59:54,150
you'd see them

1508
00:59:58,309 --> 00:59:55,680
[Music]

1509
01:00:00,069 --> 00:59:58,319
i had them as close as maybe 200 feet

1510
01:00:01,910 --> 01:00:00,079
away

1511
01:00:03,910 --> 01:00:01,920
and they just come out of note they're

1512
01:00:07,990 --> 01:00:03,920
just all of a sudden

1513
01:00:10,230 --> 01:00:08,000
it's like this arc of of light

1514
01:00:11,990 --> 01:00:10,240
um i've seen them in at a lower

1515
01:00:15,349 --> 01:00:12,000
elevation than me

1516
01:00:17,030 --> 01:00:15,359
light up the tops of trees below me

1517
01:00:19,430 --> 01:00:17,040
um

1518
01:00:20,710 --> 01:00:19,440
i was up about 500 feet above the valley

1519
01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:20,720
floor and

1520
01:00:26,549 --> 01:00:22,240
and the uh

1521
01:00:30,470 --> 01:00:26,559
the phenomenon flashed over the trees

1522
01:00:31,910 --> 01:00:30,480
which were probably 200 feet below me

1523
01:00:34,549 --> 01:00:31,920
um

1524
01:00:36,549 --> 01:00:34,559
i've seen them with a uniform overcast

1525
01:00:40,470 --> 01:00:36,559
sky and

1526
01:00:44,710 --> 01:00:42,470
and then

1527
01:00:46,710 --> 01:00:44,720
you'd see these things like on

1528
01:00:49,109 --> 01:00:46,720
one or two nights and then we'd all of a

1529
01:00:50,549 --> 01:00:49,119
sudden have a flurry of other types of

1530
01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:50,559
reports

1531
01:00:54,870 --> 01:00:53,440
um you know more structured craft type

1532
01:00:58,150 --> 01:00:54,880
things or lights that seem to be

1533
01:00:59,990 --> 01:00:58,160
operating coherently or with you know to

1534
01:01:03,270 --> 01:01:00,000
intelligent movement

1535
01:01:06,069 --> 01:01:03,280
um and then at the end of a kind of a

1536
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:06,079
mini flap we'd have these

1537
01:01:12,069 --> 01:01:08,640
cheap fireworks and then everything

1538
01:01:15,910 --> 01:01:13,589
and that's interesting to me because

1539
01:01:18,630 --> 01:01:15,920
i've i've actually seen the bottle

1540
01:01:20,549 --> 01:01:18,640
rocket type things on on three different

1541
01:01:22,950 --> 01:01:20,559
occasions and i've reached out to

1542
01:01:24,789 --> 01:01:22,960
different researchers to figure out

1543
01:01:26,789 --> 01:01:24,799
their thoughts on this and a lot of

1544
01:01:28,230 --> 01:01:26,799
researchers aren't even familiar with

1545
01:01:30,789 --> 01:01:28,240
that

1546
01:01:32,630 --> 01:01:30,799
right yeah

1547
01:01:36,230 --> 01:01:32,640
that's the most common thing

1548
01:01:41,510 --> 01:01:38,390
several dozen times

1549
01:01:43,109 --> 01:01:41,520
uh 30 40 times probably

1550
01:01:44,230 --> 01:01:43,119
i i saw

1551
01:01:46,069 --> 01:01:44,240
that

1552
01:01:48,309 --> 01:01:46,079
exact phenomenon

1553
01:01:52,309 --> 01:01:48,319
uh like i said uh within a hundred feet

1554
01:01:54,549 --> 01:01:52,319
of me one guy called up and he said i i

1555
01:01:55,750 --> 01:01:54,559
don't know exactly what i'm reporting

1556
01:01:57,589 --> 01:01:55,760
but

1557
01:02:00,630 --> 01:01:57,599
the only way i could put it is i i think

1558
01:02:02,050 --> 01:02:00,640
i just saw tinkerbell crash

1559
01:02:03,510 --> 01:02:02,060
oh i like that

1560
01:02:06,390 --> 01:02:03,520
[Music]

1561
01:02:08,870 --> 01:02:06,400
he reported tinkerbell crashing

1562
01:02:10,789 --> 01:02:08,880
right in front of him

1563
01:02:13,430 --> 01:02:10,799
was there anything else that happened i

1564
01:02:15,750 --> 01:02:13,440
noticed when when i had one sighting in

1565
01:02:18,870 --> 01:02:15,760
particular that was fairly close to me

1566
01:02:20,870 --> 01:02:18,880
that it was it became incredibly cold

1567
01:02:23,030 --> 01:02:20,880
and then it went from a moderate

1568
01:02:24,309 --> 01:02:23,040
temperature to

1569
01:02:27,109 --> 01:02:24,319
freezing

1570
01:02:28,950 --> 01:02:27,119
and it was that was quite interesting

1571
01:02:31,270 --> 01:02:28,960
just before you continue i want to ask

1572
01:02:32,870 --> 01:02:31,280
you a quick question about that erica

1573
01:02:35,190 --> 01:02:32,880
okay the was it the perceived

1574
01:02:36,950 --> 01:02:35,200
temperature or the actual temperature is

1575
01:02:38,710 --> 01:02:36,960
maybe measured

1576
01:02:40,309 --> 01:02:38,720
that's a great question the perceived

1577
01:02:41,589 --> 01:02:40,319
temperature

1578
01:02:43,190 --> 01:02:41,599
okay so

1579
01:02:45,589 --> 01:02:43,200
maybe it was something emotional as

1580
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,599
opposed to a physical effect

1581
01:02:49,109 --> 01:02:48,240
you know it very well could have been

1582
01:02:51,349 --> 01:02:49,119
but

1583
01:02:54,230 --> 01:02:51,359
to me i mean i it was that there are

1584
01:02:56,390 --> 01:02:54,240
very few instances in my life where

1585
01:02:59,030 --> 01:02:56,400
i felt that

1586
01:03:01,109 --> 01:02:59,040
to me it was just this drastic drop in

1587
01:03:03,990 --> 01:03:01,119
temperature it was very

1588
01:03:06,230 --> 01:03:04,000
odd so i don't know if that was

1589
01:03:08,710 --> 01:03:06,240
i to me that's not necessarily an

1590
01:03:11,430 --> 01:03:08,720
emotional response that i've ever had

1591
01:03:14,230 --> 01:03:11,440
when viewing strange things

1592
01:03:15,510 --> 01:03:14,240
but i think it was something around me

1593
01:03:17,829 --> 01:03:15,520
so

1594
01:03:18,789 --> 01:03:17,839
were you outdoors yes

1595
01:03:20,950 --> 01:03:18,799
okay

1596
01:03:23,430 --> 01:03:20,960
and the temperature again was what

1597
01:03:25,910 --> 01:03:23,440
the temperature was it was probably in

1598
01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:25,920
the 70s

1599
01:03:33,829 --> 01:03:29,839
uh and it got cold enough that i was

1600
01:03:37,029 --> 01:03:33,839
chilled and it was it was it was drastic

1601
01:03:39,829 --> 01:03:37,039
but again it was just my own perception

1602
01:03:41,750 --> 01:03:39,839
we have some drastic messages for you we

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have to break for how's that for a

1604
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1605
01:03:48,540 --> 01:03:45,440
erica lucas jean and chris

1606
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okay erica luke's

1717
01:08:29,030 --> 01:08:25,920
becoming one of our top

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the power cast stinger makers it's a new

1719
01:08:33,189 --> 01:08:31,040
category where you put it on a plaque or

1720
01:08:36,789 --> 01:08:33,199
something with gene and chris

1721
01:08:39,189 --> 01:08:36,799
let's continue so you felt a chill

1722
01:08:41,510 --> 01:08:39,199
yeah it was an interesting experience

1723
01:08:43,430 --> 01:08:41,520
because i was you know i

1724
01:08:45,590 --> 01:08:43,440
most nights i'll go out on my deck and

1725
01:08:48,070 --> 01:08:45,600
i'll look across the valley and and i

1726
01:08:50,309 --> 01:08:48,080
can see aircraft coming in and and

1727
01:08:51,349 --> 01:08:50,319
leaving because the flight corridor

1728
01:08:53,990 --> 01:08:51,359
runs

1729
01:08:56,789 --> 01:08:54,000
right down the middle of the valley and

1730
01:08:59,590 --> 01:08:56,799
i could see in a specific instance i

1731
01:09:02,229 --> 01:08:59,600
could see a light on the opposite side

1732
01:09:03,910 --> 01:09:02,239
of the valley on the mountain and it was

1733
01:09:06,470 --> 01:09:03,920
interesting because i tried it every

1734
01:09:08,470 --> 01:09:06,480
night like okay this is where the lights

1735
01:09:11,349 --> 01:09:08,480
are this is

1736
01:09:13,590 --> 01:09:11,359
uh just put things in to perspective and

1737
01:09:15,510 --> 01:09:13,600
throw out diagrams and this kind of

1738
01:09:16,950 --> 01:09:15,520
caught my eye and

1739
01:09:18,470 --> 01:09:16,960
it was very

1740
01:09:20,229 --> 01:09:18,480
interesting to me because i just had

1741
01:09:22,870 --> 01:09:20,239
this thought in my head okay that's

1742
01:09:25,269 --> 01:09:22,880
great if if that's really anything

1743
01:09:28,470 --> 01:09:25,279
anomalous then i want to see another

1744
01:09:29,430 --> 01:09:28,480
something else above this and within 30

1745
01:09:31,430 --> 01:09:29,440
seconds

1746
01:09:33,510 --> 01:09:31,440
this bottle rocket

1747
01:09:35,829 --> 01:09:33,520
went just came into my

1748
01:09:38,229 --> 01:09:35,839
vision and it was fairly close about 30

1749
01:09:41,110 --> 01:09:38,239
feet away and then just disappeared and

1750
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,120
it was no sound and of course my my

1751
01:09:44,229 --> 01:09:42,799
first thought is okay who's who's

1752
01:09:45,829 --> 01:09:44,239
lighting off fireworks i mean it was

1753
01:09:48,390 --> 01:09:45,839
such a strange

1754
01:09:50,630 --> 01:09:48,400
thing to see that close up

1755
01:09:52,709 --> 01:09:50,640
but then just to have to my perception

1756
01:09:55,990 --> 01:09:52,719
the temperature dropping

1757
01:09:57,430 --> 01:09:56,000
so uh drastically it was a very bizarre

1758
01:09:59,669 --> 01:09:57,440
circumstance

1759
01:10:01,750 --> 01:09:59,679
it was that in the uintas where where

1760
01:10:04,630 --> 01:10:01,760
exactly did that occur you know i'm in

1761
01:10:07,350 --> 01:10:04,640
the salt lake valley so

1762
01:10:09,270 --> 01:10:07,360
i am on the east side

1763
01:10:11,430 --> 01:10:09,280
okay so yeah okay

1764
01:10:12,709 --> 01:10:11,440
yeah um there are

1765
01:10:15,830 --> 01:10:12,719
a lot of

1766
01:10:18,550 --> 01:10:15,840
large fault faulting areas um all around

1767
01:10:21,430 --> 01:10:18,560
there yes and

1768
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:21,440
it's also the remnants of the last

1769
01:10:25,910 --> 01:10:24,159
vestiges of the great inland

1770
01:10:28,790 --> 01:10:25,920
sea that used to

1771
01:10:30,070 --> 01:10:28,800
cover the whole state of utah

1772
01:10:32,149 --> 01:10:30,080
and

1773
01:10:34,550 --> 01:10:32,159
is now of course above water

1774
01:10:37,590 --> 01:10:34,560
on the colorado plateau

1775
01:10:39,750 --> 01:10:37,600
but there are some very interesting

1776
01:10:41,110 --> 01:10:39,760
geophysical properties all

1777
01:10:42,630 --> 01:10:41,120
throughout

1778
01:10:45,430 --> 01:10:42,640
especially the

1779
01:10:46,950 --> 01:10:45,440
central and southern parts of uh

1780
01:10:47,830 --> 01:10:46,960
of the state

1781
01:10:49,430 --> 01:10:47,840
and

1782
01:10:51,830 --> 01:10:49,440
i'm sure

1783
01:10:54,709 --> 01:10:51,840
fielding reports would move on

1784
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:54,719
for as long as you did i'm sure you

1785
01:10:59,510 --> 01:10:57,120
zeroed in on a few areas

1786
01:11:01,830 --> 01:10:59,520
yourself you mentioned

1787
01:11:03,910 --> 01:11:01,840
being on with george knapp and talking

1788
01:11:05,110 --> 01:11:03,920
about

1789
01:11:08,149 --> 01:11:05,120
apparent

1790
01:11:10,709 --> 01:11:08,159
new ownership i guess up at uh

1791
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:10,719
at the formerly known as the sherman

1792
01:11:16,550 --> 01:11:14,159
ranch or the skinwalker ranch

1793
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:16,560
we have new new owners

1794
01:11:20,550 --> 01:11:17,920
have you

1795
01:11:22,709 --> 01:11:20,560
been able to determine who these

1796
01:11:23,669 --> 01:11:22,719
people are some media company or

1797
01:11:25,430 --> 01:11:23,679
something

1798
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,440
you know i have not been able to

1799
01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:27,920
determine that um adamantium is the name

1800
01:11:32,149 --> 01:11:30,960
of the the company and

1801
01:11:33,189 --> 01:11:32,159
other than that

1802
01:11:35,189 --> 01:11:33,199
nobody

1803
01:11:36,709 --> 01:11:35,199
knows anything about them and it sounds

1804
01:11:39,669 --> 01:11:36,719
to me

1805
01:11:43,270 --> 01:11:39,679
like they the the new owner has no

1806
01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:43,280
desire to disclose that information

1807
01:11:46,229 --> 01:11:45,120
so

1808
01:11:49,030 --> 01:11:46,239
okay

1809
01:11:50,709 --> 01:11:49,040
it'll be curious to see how things

1810
01:11:53,510 --> 01:11:50,719
play out and i think it's also

1811
01:11:56,149 --> 01:11:53,520
interesting that george was mentioning

1812
01:11:57,189 --> 01:11:56,159
that the activity is increasing again

1813
01:11:59,189 --> 01:11:57,199
and

1814
01:12:00,709 --> 01:11:59,199
well you know so who knows what's

1815
01:12:02,550 --> 01:12:00,719
happening but i think i'm about ready

1816
01:12:04,390 --> 01:12:02,560
for a little road trip again

1817
01:12:06,550 --> 01:12:04,400
get up there and see what's going on

1818
01:12:09,669 --> 01:12:06,560
yeah you're not that far away

1819
01:12:11,590 --> 01:12:09,679
no i'm a couple hours away

1820
01:12:15,030 --> 01:12:11,600
i had a

1821
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:15,040
message from a friend of mine up there

1822
01:12:18,950 --> 01:12:17,040
and he said that this was about five

1823
01:12:20,149 --> 01:12:18,960
nights ago that he was

1824
01:12:22,470 --> 01:12:20,159
seeing some

1825
01:12:23,990 --> 01:12:22,480
something strange that he videotaped and

1826
01:12:26,550 --> 01:12:24,000
i'll have to get a hold of the videotape

1827
01:12:28,470 --> 01:12:26,560
some anomalous lights so we'll see

1828
01:12:29,669 --> 01:12:28,480
what's going on yeah

1829
01:12:31,910 --> 01:12:29,679
having

1830
01:12:33,510 --> 01:12:31,920
tramped around that area on a number of

1831
01:12:36,709 --> 01:12:33,520
occasions so

1832
01:12:39,030 --> 01:12:36,719
all i can do is uh wish you uh good

1833
01:12:40,630 --> 01:12:39,040
hunting

1834
01:12:43,590 --> 01:12:40,640
well thank you and i'm gonna stop by and

1835
01:12:48,229 --> 01:12:43,600
get a jug of uh holy water and

1836
01:12:52,630 --> 01:12:50,870
that place is just it's not it's it's so

1837
01:12:53,430 --> 01:12:52,640
interesting but because of

1838
01:12:56,870 --> 01:12:53,440
the

1839
01:12:58,630 --> 01:12:56,880
negativity i think that you hear about

1840
01:13:00,270 --> 01:12:58,640
in the in the area

1841
01:13:02,790 --> 01:13:00,280
yeah and you've got the cattle

1842
01:13:05,110 --> 01:13:02,800
mutilations and the strange creatures

1843
01:13:07,590 --> 01:13:05,120
and it really is one of those places

1844
01:13:08,470 --> 01:13:07,600
that's just incredibly unusual

1845
01:13:10,229 --> 01:13:08,480
well

1846
01:13:12,149 --> 01:13:10,239
you know having

1847
01:13:14,630 --> 01:13:12,159
been pulled in before

1848
01:13:17,270 --> 01:13:14,640
the media got a hold of it

1849
01:13:19,910 --> 01:13:17,280
and saw it in its

1850
01:13:20,950 --> 01:13:19,920
more pristine sort of

1851
01:13:22,870 --> 01:13:20,960
uh

1852
01:13:24,149 --> 01:13:22,880
way i think for lack of a better

1853
01:13:25,430 --> 01:13:24,159
descriptive

1854
01:13:26,870 --> 01:13:25,440
term

1855
01:13:28,950 --> 01:13:26,880
it's definitely

1856
01:13:31,350 --> 01:13:28,960
a lot of interesting stuff

1857
01:13:33,590 --> 01:13:31,360
has gone on there and probably always

1858
01:13:35,510 --> 01:13:33,600
has gone on there

1859
01:13:37,750 --> 01:13:35,520
and it's not only there at that

1860
01:13:39,030 --> 01:13:37,760
particular ranch site

1861
01:13:41,189 --> 01:13:39,040
it's all

1862
01:13:44,550 --> 01:13:41,199
throughout that area

1863
01:13:46,370 --> 01:13:44,560
and i think there's areas to the south

1864
01:13:47,590 --> 01:13:46,380
from there that are

1865
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:47,600
[Music]

1866
01:13:52,790 --> 01:13:49,760
probably way more active

1867
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:54,790
you know that area around the fort du

1868
01:13:57,300 --> 01:13:56,000
chain

1869
01:13:58,390 --> 01:13:57,310
location um

1870
01:14:00,470 --> 01:13:58,400
[Music]

1871
01:14:02,390 --> 01:14:00,480
again it's almost like a red herring

1872
01:14:04,070 --> 01:14:02,400
it's like you know keep everybody's

1873
01:14:05,510 --> 01:14:04,080
attention focused there when the real

1874
01:14:08,950 --> 01:14:05,520
stuff

1875
01:14:11,750 --> 01:14:08,960
is going on nearby but uh

1876
01:14:12,870 --> 01:14:11,760
you know out of sight out of mind

1877
01:14:15,750 --> 01:14:12,880
so

1878
01:14:17,430 --> 01:14:15,760
you know yeah it's it's a trip and i

1879
01:14:19,830 --> 01:14:17,440
love um

1880
01:14:21,430 --> 01:14:19,840
just collecting different stories from

1881
01:14:23,430 --> 01:14:21,440
people and i was

1882
01:14:26,550 --> 01:14:23,440
fortunate enough to have

1883
01:14:29,510 --> 01:14:26,560
uh somebody give me some case reports

1884
01:14:32,550 --> 01:14:29,520
that he had investigated back with

1885
01:14:34,470 --> 01:14:32,560
junior hicks right you know and so that

1886
01:14:37,189 --> 01:14:34,480
it's it's very

1887
01:14:39,669 --> 01:14:37,199
cool to see all of the the great work

1888
01:14:40,950 --> 01:14:39,679
that people like junior did is so

1889
01:14:43,430 --> 01:14:40,960
important

1890
01:14:45,270 --> 01:14:43,440
and i hope that at some point i will

1891
01:14:46,870 --> 01:14:45,280
be able to just sit down and talk with

1892
01:14:49,990 --> 01:14:46,880
him or see his

1893
01:14:51,990 --> 01:14:50,000
his work and and i think that

1894
01:14:53,750 --> 01:14:52,000
if there was any way to get a hold of

1895
01:14:55,430 --> 01:14:53,760
some of his archives that would be

1896
01:14:57,189 --> 01:14:55,440
incredible

1897
01:14:59,430 --> 01:14:57,199
to digitize and to get out there for

1898
01:15:01,830 --> 01:14:59,440
other researchers to see yeah

1899
01:15:05,030 --> 01:15:01,840
well and of course the work of

1900
01:15:07,189 --> 01:15:05,040
his mentor frank salisbury

1901
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,199
who we just lost

1902
01:15:12,070 --> 01:15:09,840
a couple of years ago

1903
01:15:14,390 --> 01:15:12,080
one of the better books about a a

1904
01:15:17,350 --> 01:15:14,400
particular region in its

1905
01:15:20,149 --> 01:15:17,360
uh regional citing

1906
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:21,430
the great

1907
01:15:27,110 --> 01:15:24,080
utah ufo display yeah that's a great

1908
01:15:29,669 --> 01:15:27,120
book it's a classic book

1909
01:15:31,750 --> 01:15:29,679
and it is centered around the uintah

1910
01:15:34,950 --> 01:15:31,760
basin basically

1911
01:15:37,110 --> 01:15:34,960
it is yeah and he yeah it's a book about

1912
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,120
all that stuff going on back in the 60s

1913
01:15:41,189 --> 01:15:39,120
and 70s

1914
01:15:44,310 --> 01:15:41,199
into the 80s

1915
01:15:46,870 --> 01:15:44,320
and junior was right

1916
01:15:47,750 --> 01:15:46,880
he and frank pretty much documented all

1917
01:15:49,189 --> 01:15:47,760
that

1918
01:15:50,709 --> 01:15:49,199
activity

1919
01:15:52,390 --> 01:15:50,719
with some outside

1920
01:15:54,390 --> 01:15:52,400
help

1921
01:15:56,149 --> 01:15:54,400
they did and i was i you know i was

1922
01:15:57,510 --> 01:15:56,159
fortunate enough to speak to frank a

1923
01:15:59,430 --> 01:15:57,520
couple times

1924
01:16:00,550 --> 01:15:59,440
and the last time i spoke to him he was

1925
01:16:03,270 --> 01:16:00,560
so

1926
01:16:05,110 --> 01:16:03,280
happy he was newly married and just in

1927
01:16:06,790 --> 01:16:05,120
love and and i

1928
01:16:09,750 --> 01:16:06,800
wanted to really

1929
01:16:11,590 --> 01:16:09,760
pin him down and go up and videotape him

1930
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:11,600
and his thoughts and he was just having

1931
01:16:14,950 --> 01:16:14,000
too good of a time so

1932
01:16:17,590 --> 01:16:14,960
yeah

1933
01:16:18,630 --> 01:16:17,600
which it's sad i mean he was such a

1934
01:16:21,350 --> 01:16:18,640
brave

1935
01:16:23,189 --> 01:16:21,360
person to have to risk his career to

1936
01:16:24,470 --> 01:16:23,199
come out we're very fortunate to have

1937
01:16:25,910 --> 01:16:24,480
him on the show

1938
01:16:28,149 --> 01:16:25,920
oh wow

1939
01:16:30,310 --> 01:16:28,159
yes we did i think one of his

1940
01:16:32,950 --> 01:16:30,320
last appearances probably yeah we have

1941
01:16:35,030 --> 01:16:32,960
erica luke's we have chris o'brien we

1942
01:16:37,189 --> 01:16:35,040
have gene steinberg and a ton of

1943
01:16:40,070 --> 01:16:37,199
questions and comments from listeners in

1944
01:16:50,310 --> 01:16:40,080
our forums let us continue you're in the

1945
01:16:55,070 --> 01:16:53,750
thank you for listening to gcn

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01:16:57,990 --> 01:16:55,080
be sure to visit

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01:16:59,669 --> 01:16:58,000
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1949
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intimate moments we see many ads for

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enhancement but the side effects include

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death at gcn team we should change the

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1953
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healthy libido pack the brain and heart

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are not the only organs that require a

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healthy vascular system for proper blood

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flow at the right moment go to

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that's 877-878-4203

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01:17:31,590 --> 01:17:29,750
this is dan billow do you have the irs

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01:17:33,430 --> 01:17:31,600
money you can't pay are tax debts

1960
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crippling you i've defended people from

1961
01:17:37,910 --> 01:17:35,840
the irs for over 30 years i've helped

1962
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thousands and i can help you too i wrote

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this book is from the future

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and you are listening to the paracast

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[Music]

2047
01:21:29,030 --> 01:21:26,390
we continue with erica luke's and gene

2048
01:21:30,310 --> 01:21:29,040
and chris you know chris we can focus on

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01:21:32,630 --> 01:21:30,320
this for the rest of the show but there

2050
01:21:34,790 --> 01:21:32,640
are a bunch of questions from listeners

2051
01:21:36,149 --> 01:21:34,800
and some of it also focuses on women in

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01:21:38,310 --> 01:21:36,159
ufology

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01:21:40,310 --> 01:21:38,320
and before we get to that i wanted to

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01:21:41,590 --> 01:21:40,320
give you some demographics folks about

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01:21:43,750 --> 01:21:41,600
our

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01:21:45,830 --> 01:21:43,760
show about the power cast

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01:21:47,430 --> 01:21:45,840
then that might interest you okay

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01:21:49,910 --> 01:21:47,440
well first of all

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01:21:51,270 --> 01:21:49,920
our maximum audience is from the ages of

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01:21:52,870 --> 01:21:51,280
25

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through 64.

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which advertisers is numero uno

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territory okay okay

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only 15

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of our audience has a high school degree

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or less

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which means most attended college

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well and a decent portion of a four-year

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degree and a master's degree

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okay

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a lot of people who listen to the show

2072
01:22:23,830 --> 01:22:20,719
have incomes of over 50 000 and the

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01:22:25,510 --> 01:22:23,840
largest portion is 100 000 to forty nine

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thousand

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01:22:29,990 --> 01:22:27,679
okay so we have people here

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01:22:32,629 --> 01:22:30,000
who make a lot of money

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01:22:35,590 --> 01:22:32,639
sixty percent of our audience is married

2078
01:22:38,470 --> 01:22:35,600
and the rest is the various

2079
01:22:41,350 --> 01:22:38,480
divisions of not being married or being

2080
01:22:44,229 --> 01:22:41,360
married no longer but the largest

2081
01:22:46,709 --> 01:22:44,239
portion of our audience is male 1

2082
01:22:50,229 --> 01:22:46,719
don't have enough female audience but

2083
01:22:52,070 --> 01:22:50,239
isn't that what we see a lot to erica

2084
01:22:54,310 --> 01:22:52,080
everywhere so

2085
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most of the prominent ufo researchers we

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the

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executives in major industries most are

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men

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the

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executives in ufo organizations are

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mostly men

2092
01:23:12,390 --> 01:23:10,480
but there are more women in this country

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01:23:13,350 --> 01:23:12,400
than men what's going on here erica

2094
01:23:17,110 --> 01:23:13,360
luke's

2095
01:23:19,430 --> 01:23:17,120
oh lord have mercy that is just such a a

2096
01:23:21,189 --> 01:23:19,440
loaded question with lots of

2097
01:23:23,590 --> 01:23:21,199
lots of implications but i think that

2098
01:23:24,550 --> 01:23:23,600
you know i i was raised by a single

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01:23:27,110 --> 01:23:24,560
mother

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01:23:30,149 --> 01:23:27,120
and she was one of the first executives

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01:23:32,629 --> 01:23:30,159
in utah and she was she worked her

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01:23:34,950 --> 01:23:32,639
butt off and was paid you know a

2103
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:34,960
fraction of what the men were paid

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01:23:39,830 --> 01:23:37,360
in this incredibly patriarchal society

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01:23:41,350 --> 01:23:39,840
and i know that what you see in ufology

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01:23:44,390 --> 01:23:41,360
i mean there's no except we don't get

2107
01:23:46,950 --> 01:23:44,400
paid but just it's a good old boys club

2108
01:23:48,390 --> 01:23:46,960
and that is absolutely true and for me

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01:23:50,790 --> 01:23:48,400
being a woman

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01:23:53,510 --> 01:23:50,800
and coming into this

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01:23:56,790 --> 01:23:53,520
it was shocking to see how much the

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sexism there was and and comments that

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01:23:59,350 --> 01:23:57,760
you know you

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01:24:01,350 --> 01:23:59,360
you the only reason you're getting ahead

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01:24:02,470 --> 01:24:01,360
is because you're relatively attractive

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01:24:04,310 --> 01:24:02,480
or you're

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01:24:05,750 --> 01:24:04,320
you know sleeping your way to the top or

2118
01:24:07,510 --> 01:24:05,760
you're doing this or you're doing that

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01:24:09,350 --> 01:24:07,520
and it was like wait a minute i don't i

2120
01:24:11,189 --> 01:24:09,360
don't think we we talk about men like

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01:24:12,550 --> 01:24:11,199
that and

2122
01:24:18,790 --> 01:24:12,560
what

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01:24:21,830 --> 01:24:18,800
and so for me those things were

2124
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:21,840
difficult to deal with and then you have

2125
01:24:27,030 --> 01:24:24,000
people that have lower level

2126
01:24:30,550 --> 01:24:27,040
political gains in mind and then it was

2127
01:24:33,510 --> 01:24:30,560
just really it's been an interesting and

2128
01:24:35,189 --> 01:24:33,520
shocking and a nasty experience

2129
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:35,199
but i think that if

2130
01:24:40,070 --> 01:24:37,199
we and i know i'm not alone in having

2131
01:24:42,709 --> 01:24:40,080
these kind of experiences in ufology

2132
01:24:44,470 --> 01:24:42,719
i think that we need to to address this

2133
01:24:46,550 --> 01:24:44,480
and talk about it openly

2134
01:24:49,510 --> 01:24:46,560
and other women need to be supportive of

2135
01:24:51,510 --> 01:24:49,520
each other for me i want to see younger

2136
01:24:54,470 --> 01:24:51,520
people get involved in this field i want

2137
01:24:56,470 --> 01:24:54,480
to see more women and for whatever

2138
01:24:57,750 --> 01:24:56,480
reason we're failing to engage a younger

2139
01:25:00,310 --> 01:24:57,760
demographic

2140
01:25:02,310 --> 01:25:00,320
we have to figure out why you know what

2141
01:25:04,070 --> 01:25:02,320
what is that it that we're not getting

2142
01:25:06,310 --> 01:25:04,080
across why isn't there a good flow of

2143
01:25:07,270 --> 01:25:06,320
communication that's exciting

2144
01:25:09,669 --> 01:25:07,280
people

2145
01:25:11,750 --> 01:25:09,679
well we know when it comes to women we

2146
01:25:12,550 --> 01:25:11,760
don't see a lot of female faces we don't

2147
01:25:14,149 --> 01:25:12,560
have

2148
01:25:16,550 --> 01:25:14,159
a lot of support

2149
01:25:18,470 --> 01:25:16,560
i think that organizations should

2150
01:25:21,590 --> 01:25:18,480
absolutely

2151
01:25:23,510 --> 01:25:21,600
support and protect the females in the

2152
01:25:25,910 --> 01:25:23,520
organization

2153
01:25:27,910 --> 01:25:25,920
and i don't i think unfortunately that

2154
01:25:30,390 --> 01:25:27,920
isn't the case

2155
01:25:32,709 --> 01:25:30,400
so there

2156
01:25:34,229 --> 01:25:32,719
have you ever been treated in a way that

2157
01:25:36,950 --> 01:25:34,239
makes you feel

2158
01:25:38,870 --> 01:25:36,960
less of a person or not being given the

2159
01:25:40,950 --> 01:25:38,880
proper degree of respect

2160
01:25:43,189 --> 01:25:40,960
absolutely i mean and that's one of the

2161
01:25:45,830 --> 01:25:43,199
reasons the main reason that i i

2162
01:25:47,910 --> 01:25:45,840
resigned as state director of mufon

2163
01:25:49,030 --> 01:25:47,920
would you please explain

2164
01:25:50,629 --> 01:25:49,040
yeah

2165
01:25:52,870 --> 01:25:50,639
absolutely um

2166
01:25:54,709 --> 01:25:52,880
when i first began

2167
01:25:57,189 --> 01:25:54,719
doing this i mean you you know because

2168
01:25:59,430 --> 01:25:57,199
we had the show and i was even though i

2169
01:26:01,830 --> 01:25:59,440
just resigned i was much more gung ho

2170
01:26:03,510 --> 01:26:01,840
and pro mufon and yada yada

2171
01:26:05,110 --> 01:26:03,520
but i was

2172
01:26:06,310 --> 01:26:05,120
taking over the state directorship

2173
01:26:07,430 --> 01:26:06,320
building up a

2174
01:26:10,070 --> 01:26:07,440
chapter

2175
01:26:12,070 --> 01:26:10,080
getting people involved and doing all of

2176
01:26:13,669 --> 01:26:12,080
my duties and then i also

2177
01:26:16,149 --> 01:26:13,679
as part of that

2178
01:26:17,590 --> 01:26:16,159
i was doing radio shows and there was

2179
01:26:20,070 --> 01:26:17,600
another person in

2180
01:26:22,470 --> 01:26:20,080
mufon that told me about this particular

2181
01:26:25,510 --> 01:26:22,480
individual and he was doing radio shows

2182
01:26:27,750 --> 01:26:25,520
to support mufon on this show and so

2183
01:26:30,229 --> 01:26:27,760
i would go on and

2184
01:26:32,310 --> 01:26:30,239
through a series of events i realized

2185
01:26:34,149 --> 01:26:32,320
that this person was

2186
01:26:36,470 --> 01:26:34,159
definitely not

2187
01:26:38,070 --> 01:26:36,480
playing with a full deck was

2188
01:26:41,030 --> 01:26:38,080
pretty abusive

2189
01:26:42,709 --> 01:26:41,040
to certain people and he

2190
01:26:44,390 --> 01:26:42,719
began to

2191
01:26:47,669 --> 01:26:44,400
harass me and

2192
01:26:50,470 --> 01:26:47,679
do some really horrible things and that

2193
01:26:51,750 --> 01:26:50,480
mufon headquarters knew about that

2194
01:26:56,070 --> 01:26:51,760
and

2195
01:26:58,070 --> 01:26:56,080
that i had asked them to but take a

2196
01:27:01,430 --> 01:26:58,080
stand on this or just say we don't we're

2197
01:27:03,669 --> 01:27:01,440
not going here but unfortunately

2198
01:27:06,070 --> 01:27:03,679
some of what this person was saying

2199
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:06,080
which was typical for him to say about

2200
01:27:09,270 --> 01:27:08,080
other people he'd worked with

2201
01:27:12,390 --> 01:27:09,280
those things

2202
01:27:15,590 --> 01:27:12,400
got out and they were used by a couple

2203
01:27:17,030 --> 01:27:15,600
really naughty human beings to try to to

2204
01:27:19,590 --> 01:27:17,040
discredit me

2205
01:27:21,910 --> 01:27:19,600
and that was really

2206
01:27:23,430 --> 01:27:21,920
just mind-blowing it was it was pain it

2207
01:27:24,470 --> 01:27:23,440
was really painful i think there was

2208
01:27:26,950 --> 01:27:24,480
about

2209
01:27:29,030 --> 01:27:26,960
uh a year there where there wouldn't be

2210
01:27:32,310 --> 01:27:29,040
a night that i wouldn't just go to bed

2211
01:27:34,310 --> 01:27:32,320
in in tears you know and my family was

2212
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:34,320
affected because it was so

2213
01:27:41,350 --> 01:27:37,520
hard but then to know that that mufon

2214
01:27:43,750 --> 01:27:41,360
chose not to to stand up for me and they

2215
01:27:45,990 --> 01:27:43,760
also let that

2216
01:27:47,590 --> 01:27:46,000
affect the people on my team my

2217
01:27:48,790 --> 01:27:47,600
assistant state director and other

2218
01:27:51,350 --> 01:27:48,800
people

2219
01:27:52,470 --> 01:27:51,360
in utah mufon and that was really

2220
01:27:58,870 --> 01:27:52,480
it was

2221
01:28:01,270 --> 01:27:58,880
be specific in any way

2222
01:28:03,350 --> 01:28:01,280
about this abusive behavior

2223
01:28:04,950 --> 01:28:03,360
so our listeners will understand

2224
01:28:07,750 --> 01:28:04,960
you know the

2225
01:28:11,350 --> 01:28:07,760
the abusive behavior was

2226
01:28:14,550 --> 01:28:11,360
directed at me by a couple people who

2227
01:28:16,790 --> 01:28:14,560
were in mufon and other than that i just

2228
01:28:19,430 --> 01:28:16,800
i don't want to necessarily i'm so

2229
01:28:21,669 --> 01:28:19,440
freaking it was such a painful thing

2230
01:28:23,350 --> 01:28:21,679
they they know who they are

2231
01:28:25,990 --> 01:28:23,360
and people working around them know who

2232
01:28:27,990 --> 01:28:26,000
they are and and mufon headquarters you

2233
01:28:29,430 --> 01:28:28,000
know like i said they just that's they

2234
01:28:32,870 --> 01:28:29,440
chose not to

2235
01:28:34,149 --> 01:28:32,880
deal with the situation or to protect a

2236
01:28:36,709 --> 01:28:34,159
volunteer

2237
01:28:38,229 --> 01:28:36,719
who cared very deeply

2238
01:28:40,149 --> 01:28:38,239
about doing the right thing and building

2239
01:28:41,990 --> 01:28:40,159
the organization so

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and that's too bad because that sets a

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bad precedence

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for other people

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coming into this especially women

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what do you think can be done to make

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the ufo feel less of an old boy's

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network to be blunt about it

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oh lord i i think what we really

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need well first first

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at least talk about it and

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agree on

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i think some bedrock

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issues

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i think defining the problem

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and

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more heads are better than one

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that's why

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erica when when

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you know we initially spoke i i thought

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the idea of a woman's round table

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that's brilliant would would be a good

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way to at least

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create a place where there is

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that potential for as open a dialogue as

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as

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their participants are comfortable with

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and

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i i would love to

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to have that on the paracast have

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yourself

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we have

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any number of women um who could uh be

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on a panel like that um

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kathleen martin i'm sure

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kathleen absolutely um leslie uh we

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mentioned leslie king uh earlier

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um

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you know there

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lots of women in the field

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01:30:23,510 --> 01:30:21,440
but they tend to

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keep their heads down

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a lot of them are very quiet

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in their work the the barber lamb comes

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to mind

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you know chris we need to break now and

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then we'll go into okay go ahead

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with erica luke's and jean and chris

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so let's go back to the question that i

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01:35:30,629 --> 01:35:27,440
posed to erica luke's in our previous

2397
01:35:32,709 --> 01:35:30,639
segment here what can be done to

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01:35:34,950 --> 01:35:32,719
attract more women to the ufo field

2399
01:35:37,189 --> 01:35:34,960
certainly the men haven't been able to

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01:35:38,950 --> 01:35:37,199
really get anything done seriously i

2401
01:35:40,470 --> 01:35:38,960
mean the ufo field

2402
01:35:43,270 --> 01:35:40,480
how much has been accomplished i write

2403
01:35:45,270 --> 01:35:43,280
about this all the time not a lot yeah

2404
01:35:47,270 --> 01:35:45,280
well i look at mufon mufan's been around

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01:35:48,709 --> 01:35:47,280
since 1969

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01:35:50,790 --> 01:35:48,719
and they hold the seminars and they have

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the monthly newsletters and i read it

2408
01:35:55,110 --> 01:35:53,280
and everything to find new cases but i

2409
01:35:58,229 --> 01:35:55,120
don't see they've made any progress not

2410
01:36:00,950 --> 01:35:58,239
a bit no all right so how do we get

2411
01:36:02,629 --> 01:36:00,960
women involved how do we basically upset

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01:36:03,910 --> 01:36:02,639
everything or should we throw it all out

2413
01:36:05,590 --> 01:36:03,920
and start over

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01:36:07,830 --> 01:36:05,600
oh i think there are pros and cons to

2415
01:36:08,870 --> 01:36:07,840
both of that i think that there are some

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01:36:11,430 --> 01:36:08,880
really

2417
01:36:13,430 --> 01:36:11,440
good hard-working

2418
01:36:15,669 --> 01:36:13,440
people that have a lot of important

2419
01:36:17,669 --> 01:36:15,679
things to share and like you know chris

2420
01:36:19,430 --> 01:36:17,679
would say they kind of keep their nose

2421
01:36:22,470 --> 01:36:19,440
down their heads down and these are men

2422
01:36:24,629 --> 01:36:22,480
and women because of the abuse that is

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01:36:26,790 --> 01:36:24,639
rampant in the field i can think of one

2424
01:36:28,790 --> 01:36:26,800
researcher in particular who's a male

2425
01:36:31,590 --> 01:36:28,800
who got out of this who had some of the

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01:36:34,229 --> 01:36:31,600
most important things to contribute to

2427
01:36:37,110 --> 01:36:34,239
this subject of anybody i've ever met

2428
01:36:40,550 --> 01:36:37,120
it's directed at women but it's it's

2429
01:36:41,990 --> 01:36:40,560
abuse that runs rampant and i think that

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01:36:44,870 --> 01:36:42,000
we have to

2431
01:36:47,669 --> 01:36:44,880
as as people wanting to make a a change

2432
01:36:49,910 --> 01:36:47,679
quickly we have to be willing to all

2433
01:36:51,189 --> 01:36:49,920
adhere to some ethical and professional

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01:36:52,950 --> 01:36:51,199
standards

2435
01:36:55,109 --> 01:36:52,960
and that has been we've i don't know if

2436
01:36:57,510 --> 01:36:55,119
we've ever seen that in this field

2437
01:36:59,350 --> 01:36:57,520
because as one researcher says it's the

2438
01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:59,360
wild wild west well it doesn't have to

2439
01:37:03,030 --> 01:37:00,239
be

2440
01:37:06,550 --> 01:37:03,040
if people are willing to stand up and

2441
01:37:08,870 --> 01:37:06,560
talk about it and to not accept abusive

2442
01:37:10,629 --> 01:37:08,880
behavior or unethical treatment of other

2443
01:37:13,030 --> 01:37:10,639
people

2444
01:37:14,950 --> 01:37:13,040
it can be done i absolutely and it has

2445
01:37:18,229 --> 01:37:14,960
to be because this subject is too

2446
01:37:19,709 --> 01:37:18,239
important to let it get you know messed

2447
01:37:21,669 --> 01:37:19,719
up by a few

2448
01:37:24,629 --> 01:37:21,679
egomaniacs that

2449
01:37:26,629 --> 01:37:24,639
really should go find another playground

2450
01:37:29,189 --> 01:37:26,639
how's that i'll tell you

2451
01:37:34,229 --> 01:37:31,910
i often refer to the ufo field as toxic

2452
01:37:37,109 --> 01:37:34,239
but frankly even art bell once said that

2453
01:37:39,189 --> 01:37:37,119
and art bell has had a pretty checkered

2454
01:37:41,750 --> 01:37:39,199
history in recent years but i've

2455
01:37:44,870 --> 01:37:41,760
said it's toxic and we talked before

2456
01:37:47,189 --> 01:37:44,880
about the debate over isaac coy and

2457
01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:47,199
everything and all these interactions of

2458
01:37:51,430 --> 01:37:49,119
course that's unfortunately part of our

2459
01:37:53,109 --> 01:37:51,440
society now our online society where

2460
01:37:54,950 --> 01:37:53,119
people go on facebook

2461
01:37:57,430 --> 01:37:54,960
or on twitter and they scream and yell

2462
01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,440
at one another which is an outgrowth of

2463
01:37:59,669 --> 01:37:58,400
the

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01:38:02,870 --> 01:37:59,679
old

2465
01:38:05,030 --> 01:38:02,880
usenet news groups back in the 80s and

2466
01:38:07,510 --> 01:38:05,040
90s where people went online and they'd

2467
01:38:09,189 --> 01:38:07,520
scream and yell at one another

2468
01:38:12,310 --> 01:38:09,199
i remember when i tried to have a civil

2469
01:38:15,510 --> 01:38:12,320
conversation with somebody in usenet

2470
01:38:17,510 --> 01:38:15,520
they said why are you not attacking me

2471
01:38:19,750 --> 01:38:17,520
and i said i don't do that

2472
01:38:21,030 --> 01:38:19,760
and he said this is a flame war you

2473
01:38:24,709 --> 01:38:21,040
flame me

2474
01:38:27,830 --> 01:38:24,719
i flame you and i said no i don't have a

2475
01:38:29,350 --> 01:38:27,840
nice life and that's where it ended

2476
01:38:30,629 --> 01:38:29,360
yeah

2477
01:38:33,750 --> 01:38:30,639
well

2478
01:38:35,189 --> 01:38:33,760
greer's a meeting planner

2479
01:38:39,830 --> 01:38:35,199
one of our

2480
01:38:44,310 --> 01:38:41,910
is wondering about all this

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01:38:47,270 --> 01:38:44,320
in

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01:38:50,390 --> 01:38:47,280
if you saw his avatar greer dressed up

2483
01:38:52,470 --> 01:38:50,400
as the joker with the green hair and

2484
01:38:54,709 --> 01:38:52,480
uh

2485
01:38:56,830 --> 01:38:54,719
let's

2486
01:38:59,590 --> 01:38:56,840
talk about patronizing

2487
01:39:02,709 --> 01:38:59,600
um the question is is it patronizing

2488
01:39:05,669 --> 01:39:02,719
that we were talking about women

2489
01:39:07,830 --> 01:39:05,679
in ufology cert surely we should be

2490
01:39:09,109 --> 01:39:07,840
using your time to ask you about the

2491
01:39:10,709 --> 01:39:09,119
phenomenon

2492
01:39:12,229 --> 01:39:10,719
and trying to learn something about the

2493
01:39:14,629 --> 01:39:12,239
cases

2494
01:39:16,470 --> 01:39:14,639
by using your time to talk about gender

2495
01:39:19,510 --> 01:39:16,480
balance in the field

2496
01:39:21,109 --> 01:39:19,520
are we just reinforcing uh reinforcing

2497
01:39:23,510 --> 01:39:21,119
the stupid notion that

2498
01:39:26,950 --> 01:39:23,520
actually matters what gender you are

2499
01:39:29,510 --> 01:39:26,960
yeah couldn't no we're

2500
01:39:33,189 --> 01:39:29,520
that uh we give other guests uh to use

2501
01:39:35,669 --> 01:39:33,199
her time to educate us on paranormal

2502
01:39:37,430 --> 01:39:35,679
stuff and impart her knowledge

2503
01:39:39,830 --> 01:39:37,440
and that's those are nice

2504
01:39:41,510 --> 01:39:39,840
those are nice comments i mean i yeah i

2505
01:39:43,510 --> 01:39:41,520
appreciate it exactly

2506
01:39:45,189 --> 01:39:43,520
you know it it sucks that we even have

2507
01:39:47,510 --> 01:39:45,199
to talk about it in the first place you

2508
01:39:48,870 --> 01:39:47,520
know it does but you know and i've kind

2509
01:39:50,629 --> 01:39:48,880
of had this

2510
01:39:53,270 --> 01:39:50,639
feeling i mean i've gone back and forth

2511
01:39:55,669 --> 01:39:53,280
oh my god do i do i address this do i

2512
01:39:57,430 --> 01:39:55,679
let it go how do i

2513
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:57,440
how do i handle this and i think

2514
01:40:02,070 --> 01:39:59,440
unfortunately what we've

2515
01:40:05,270 --> 01:40:02,080
seen or a majority of people that don't

2516
01:40:07,669 --> 01:40:05,280
address things and as a result we get

2517
01:40:10,950 --> 01:40:07,679
more and more dysfunction

2518
01:40:13,189 --> 01:40:10,960
well i think it's the implication that

2519
01:40:15,109 --> 01:40:13,199
what you're talking about

2520
01:40:18,229 --> 01:40:15,119
has to do with

2521
01:40:19,669 --> 01:40:18,239
some some sort of perception of gender

2522
01:40:22,070 --> 01:40:19,679
imbalance

2523
01:40:23,270 --> 01:40:22,080
and i i think that's totally missing the

2524
01:40:24,790 --> 01:40:23,280
point

2525
01:40:26,550 --> 01:40:24,800
i i don't think

2526
01:40:28,390 --> 01:40:26,560
what you're talking about has anything

2527
01:40:30,390 --> 01:40:28,400
to do with

2528
01:40:33,350 --> 01:40:30,400
some sort of uh

2529
01:40:36,950 --> 01:40:33,360
you know gender imbalance as being the

2530
01:40:41,669 --> 01:40:36,960
issue the issue is

2531
01:40:46,229 --> 01:40:42,629
and

2532
01:40:50,950 --> 01:40:46,239
they're being marginalized because

2533
01:40:54,709 --> 01:40:52,790
all you're doing is pointing that out

2534
01:40:56,950 --> 01:40:54,719
you're not saying that it's it's good or

2535
01:40:58,709 --> 01:40:56,960
bad just saying look there is an

2536
01:41:01,109 --> 01:40:58,719
imbalance

2537
01:41:04,070 --> 01:41:01,119
and we need to talk about it

2538
01:41:05,270 --> 01:41:04,080
you know i'm looking at our questions

2539
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:05,280
here and there's some very good ones

2540
01:41:09,030 --> 01:41:07,040
here that people

2541
01:41:11,030 --> 01:41:09,040
you know kind of started thinking a

2542
01:41:12,229 --> 01:41:11,040
little bit and

2543
01:41:15,109 --> 01:41:12,239
i don't think we're going to be able to

2544
01:41:16,950 --> 01:41:15,119
get to all of them but

2545
01:41:19,830 --> 01:41:16,960
there was one

2546
01:41:21,270 --> 01:41:19,840
person on here that was wondering

2547
01:41:24,790 --> 01:41:21,280
you know

2548
01:41:27,350 --> 01:41:24,800
are women uh better suited for certain

2549
01:41:29,830 --> 01:41:27,360
things in in in the field

2550
01:41:32,390 --> 01:41:29,840
in ufology and i always

2551
01:41:34,070 --> 01:41:32,400
say you bet

2552
01:41:35,750 --> 01:41:34,080
i had the very

2553
01:41:38,870 --> 01:41:35,760
distinct pleasure of working with

2554
01:41:42,149 --> 01:41:38,880
rosemary allen guiley in the field

2555
01:41:44,470 --> 01:41:42,159
we covered a number of cases

2556
01:41:47,270 --> 01:41:44,480
in in mild stomping grounds the san luis

2557
01:41:51,430 --> 01:41:47,280
valley i took her around and and she

2558
01:41:54,149 --> 01:41:51,440
helped out on a number of cases and i

2559
01:41:55,030 --> 01:41:54,159
was absolutely blown away and humbled

2560
01:41:57,430 --> 01:41:55,040
by

2561
01:42:00,870 --> 01:41:57,440
this woman

2562
01:42:03,830 --> 01:42:00,880
amazing i'm just absolutely unnatural

2563
01:42:05,750 --> 01:42:03,840
um her encyclopedic knowledge

2564
01:42:07,510 --> 01:42:05,760
um

2565
01:42:09,830 --> 01:42:07,520
uh just uh

2566
01:42:18,229 --> 01:42:09,840
i was

2567
01:42:20,229 --> 01:42:18,239
it was great um

2568
01:42:22,149 --> 01:42:20,239
and i think um

2569
01:42:24,709 --> 01:42:22,159
i've been around you know other

2570
01:42:25,990 --> 01:42:24,719
take-charge women in the field too

2571
01:42:29,109 --> 01:42:26,000
linda

2572
01:42:34,470 --> 01:42:29,119
now i mean for years

2573
01:42:37,590 --> 01:42:35,270
so

2574
01:42:40,390 --> 01:42:37,600
i do think that there's

2575
01:42:42,149 --> 01:42:40,400
especially

2576
01:42:43,990 --> 01:42:42,159
in the investigative end of all this i

2577
01:42:45,990 --> 01:42:44,000
do think that there's

2578
01:42:47,990 --> 01:42:46,000
um

2579
01:42:50,229 --> 01:42:48,000
women can accomplish certain things i

2580
01:42:54,390 --> 01:42:50,239
think uh

2581
01:42:57,430 --> 01:42:54,400
more effortless uh effortlessly

2582
01:42:58,390 --> 01:42:57,440
with less effort shall we say and i

2583
01:43:00,229 --> 01:42:58,400
think that's

2584
01:43:02,390 --> 01:43:00,239
it's true we all have different skill

2585
01:43:04,229 --> 01:43:02,400
sets you know men and women um

2586
01:43:06,229 --> 01:43:04,239
individuals and so

2587
01:43:08,070 --> 01:43:06,239
i think one of the

2588
01:43:10,070 --> 01:43:08,080
big problems that i've seen kind of

2589
01:43:11,590 --> 01:43:10,080
looking at this whole field objectively

2590
01:43:13,109 --> 01:43:11,600
is the fact that a lot of people that

2591
01:43:16,229 --> 01:43:13,119
come into this field have a certain

2592
01:43:18,149 --> 01:43:16,239
skill set and that skill set is

2593
01:43:20,149 --> 01:43:18,159
getting down and doing research and

2594
01:43:22,470 --> 01:43:20,159
looking at minute details and doing

2595
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:22,480
things like that but they don't have

2596
01:43:27,510 --> 01:43:24,960
a skill set of necessarily maybe

2597
01:43:29,910 --> 01:43:27,520
interacting with other individuals or

2598
01:43:33,590 --> 01:43:29,920
making witnesses feel comfortable or

2599
01:43:35,750 --> 01:43:33,600
safe yeah or uh dealing with the media

2600
01:43:36,950 --> 01:43:35,760
and getting the information from point a

2601
01:43:39,910 --> 01:43:36,960
to point b

2602
01:43:42,709 --> 01:43:39,920
in an effective manner and so i think

2603
01:43:45,189 --> 01:43:42,719
what we need to do is really find

2604
01:43:45,990 --> 01:43:45,199
people that have specific skill sets and

2605
01:43:49,830 --> 01:43:46,000
then

2606
01:43:50,830 --> 01:43:49,840
work together so we're each contributing

2607
01:43:53,430 --> 01:43:50,840
our best

2608
01:43:55,910 --> 01:43:53,440
qualities to get this out there and i

2609
01:43:58,470 --> 01:43:55,920
think that's you know i'm i'm every day

2610
01:43:59,669 --> 01:43:58,480
i'm finding a new person that i can work

2611
01:44:01,910 --> 01:43:59,679
with that

2612
01:44:04,229 --> 01:44:01,920
that i can complement and we can help

2613
01:44:05,270 --> 01:44:04,239
each other and it's really a cool thing

2614
01:44:07,910 --> 01:44:05,280
to do

2615
01:44:10,790 --> 01:44:07,920
well and you know in a perfect world i

2616
01:44:13,430 --> 01:44:10,800
mean that's the way it really

2617
01:44:15,590 --> 01:44:13,440
it is we just haven't quite

2618
01:44:17,270 --> 01:44:15,600
rediscovered all the connecting points

2619
01:44:20,310 --> 01:44:17,280
um

2620
01:44:24,310 --> 01:44:20,320
you know we're all in this together it's

2621
01:44:26,070 --> 01:44:24,320
it should be one big uh team effort

2622
01:44:28,070 --> 01:44:26,080
you know it should be a bunch of

2623
01:44:29,030 --> 01:44:28,080
musketeers

2624
01:44:33,590 --> 01:44:29,040
you know

2625
01:44:35,669 --> 01:44:33,600
for one i mean it really should be i

2626
01:44:37,990 --> 01:44:35,679
i've always felt

2627
01:44:39,990 --> 01:44:38,000
out of all the things in in in life that

2628
01:44:42,950 --> 01:44:40,000
i can be utopian about

2629
01:44:45,830 --> 01:44:42,960
this would be the the the one

2630
01:44:47,109 --> 01:44:45,840
exactly and you owe herself

2631
01:44:49,350 --> 01:44:47,119
and i will say

2632
01:44:50,470 --> 01:44:49,360
i was so impressed and you were so kind

2633
01:44:53,189 --> 01:44:50,480
to send me

2634
01:44:54,870 --> 01:44:53,199
your data and that's that's exactly how

2635
01:44:56,390 --> 01:44:54,880
we should all be we should be willing to

2636
01:44:58,229 --> 01:44:56,400
pick up the phone and

2637
01:45:01,430 --> 01:44:58,239
talk to people and just share thoughts

2638
01:45:02,950 --> 01:45:01,440
and ideas and when people are

2639
01:45:04,790 --> 01:45:02,960
not willing to do that when they're not

2640
01:45:07,430 --> 01:45:04,800
transparent with their information when

2641
01:45:09,590 --> 01:45:07,440
they're not um

2642
01:45:12,149 --> 01:45:09,600
you know when they're kind of ego driven

2643
01:45:14,390 --> 01:45:12,159
i mean that stands out and i think now

2644
01:45:16,550 --> 01:45:14,400
is an important time to

2645
01:45:18,550 --> 01:45:16,560
focus but we can kind of separate the

2646
01:45:21,430 --> 01:45:18,560
week from the chaff and i think you two

2647
01:45:23,189 --> 01:45:21,440
both do a great job at doing that

2648
01:45:24,550 --> 01:45:23,199
and we also need to separate these

2649
01:45:25,510 --> 01:45:24,560
announcements

2650
01:45:27,990 --> 01:45:25,520
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2651
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[Applause]

2708
01:48:03,750 --> 01:48:00,080
welcome back to the paracast the gold

2709
01:48:05,030 --> 01:48:03,760
standard of paranormal radio

2710
01:48:08,350 --> 01:48:05,040
and now

2711
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:08,360
here's jane steinberg

2712
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,750
i was thinking here when you talk about

2713
01:48:17,590 --> 01:48:15,920
making your databases and your evidence

2714
01:48:20,310 --> 01:48:17,600
freely available

2715
01:48:22,950 --> 01:48:20,320
and are you listening mufon

2716
01:48:24,790 --> 01:48:22,960
and national ufo reporting center

2717
01:48:26,470 --> 01:48:24,800
you open source it

2718
01:48:28,709 --> 01:48:26,480
you let people

2719
01:48:30,629 --> 01:48:28,719
work on the database file

2720
01:48:33,669 --> 01:48:30,639
improve upon it

2721
01:48:36,390 --> 01:48:33,679
you know get more categories in there

2722
01:48:37,990 --> 01:48:36,400
make it work better for everyone

2723
01:48:40,550 --> 01:48:38,000
and i guess you'd still want to have a

2724
01:48:42,070 --> 01:48:40,560
central point where the final version is

2725
01:48:43,910 --> 01:48:42,080
posted

2726
01:48:47,430 --> 01:48:43,920
so it's consistent

2727
01:48:49,109 --> 01:48:47,440
but have a way to feed the input anyone

2728
01:48:51,350 --> 01:48:49,119
who's done open source software can

2729
01:48:53,590 --> 01:48:51,360
probably set up this infrastructure you

2730
01:48:55,189 --> 01:48:53,600
know in a day or so

2731
01:48:57,830 --> 01:48:55,199
but that sounds interesting doesn't it

2732
01:48:59,830 --> 01:48:57,840
erica it does you know and i would love

2733
01:49:02,709 --> 01:48:59,840
i mean i just want to be a part of

2734
01:49:04,470 --> 01:49:02,719
doing any of this because we we have to

2735
01:49:06,950 --> 01:49:04,480
get all of the data

2736
01:49:08,790 --> 01:49:06,960
in one place i know that barry greenwood

2737
01:49:11,590 --> 01:49:08,800
and jan aldrich and

2738
01:49:12,790 --> 01:49:11,600
and that team i mean they've been

2739
01:49:14,790 --> 01:49:12,800
archiving

2740
01:49:17,830 --> 01:49:14,800
really important documents for for

2741
01:49:20,470 --> 01:49:17,840
decades and they're trying to get all of

2742
01:49:23,109 --> 01:49:20,480
those archives in a location so

2743
01:49:25,270 --> 01:49:23,119
researchers can have access to that

2744
01:49:27,430 --> 01:49:25,280
and that's the type of stuff that is

2745
01:49:29,430 --> 01:49:27,440
really profoundly important and will

2746
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:29,440
make a difference because we can go back

2747
01:49:33,510 --> 01:49:31,440
and put the pieces of the puzzle

2748
01:49:34,709 --> 01:49:33,520
together and start making connections

2749
01:49:37,350 --> 01:49:34,719
and and

2750
01:49:38,149 --> 01:49:37,360
seeing things in a broader perspective

2751
01:49:39,990 --> 01:49:38,159
no

2752
01:49:41,990 --> 01:49:40,000
but i'll tell you

2753
01:49:43,189 --> 01:49:42,000
the younger generations coming up now

2754
01:49:45,590 --> 01:49:43,199
with uh

2755
01:49:46,550 --> 01:49:45,600
just so much

2756
01:49:48,790 --> 01:49:46,560
data

2757
01:49:51,510 --> 01:49:48,800
available

2758
01:49:54,070 --> 01:49:51,520
i'm sure some creative

2759
01:49:55,350 --> 01:49:54,080
analyst is going to come along and um

2760
01:49:58,790 --> 01:49:55,360
and

2761
01:50:00,470 --> 01:49:58,800
the data

2762
01:50:02,629 --> 01:50:00,480
obviously there's always a garbage in

2763
01:50:05,109 --> 01:50:02,639
garbage out scenario but

2764
01:50:07,510 --> 01:50:05,119
i think you can comb through

2765
01:50:09,189 --> 01:50:07,520
databases looking for particular key

2766
01:50:12,310 --> 01:50:09,199
elements

2767
01:50:13,990 --> 01:50:12,320
and and cut to the chase i think in a

2768
01:50:17,030 --> 01:50:14,000
variety of ways

2769
01:50:19,030 --> 01:50:17,040
that may be diagnostic

2770
01:50:20,629 --> 01:50:19,040
i think the work of ray stanford he's

2771
01:50:22,390 --> 01:50:20,639
starting to come up with things to look

2772
01:50:24,870 --> 01:50:22,400
for

2773
01:50:27,030 --> 01:50:24,880
within real

2774
01:50:31,030 --> 01:50:27,040
optical

2775
01:50:33,350 --> 01:50:31,040
and evidence

2776
01:50:35,830 --> 01:50:33,360
and once you

2777
01:50:37,669 --> 01:50:35,840
start predicting

2778
01:50:38,870 --> 01:50:37,679
results

2779
01:50:41,350 --> 01:50:38,880
then

2780
01:50:43,830 --> 01:50:41,360
you're challenging the scientific

2781
01:50:45,350 --> 01:50:43,840
community to

2782
01:50:46,950 --> 01:50:45,360
refute

2783
01:50:49,189 --> 01:50:46,960
that repeatability

2784
01:50:50,790 --> 01:50:49,199
that you're demonstrating and so

2785
01:50:52,390 --> 01:50:50,800
you know people like ray i think are on

2786
01:50:55,350 --> 01:50:52,400
the right track they're they're actually

2787
01:50:58,709 --> 01:50:55,360
looking now at principles that

2788
01:51:02,709 --> 01:50:58,719
they're having success at

2789
01:51:04,629 --> 01:51:02,719
showing how they're operative in a real

2790
01:51:06,550 --> 01:51:04,639
aao

2791
01:51:08,790 --> 01:51:06,560
anomalous aerial object

2792
01:51:12,229 --> 01:51:08,800
as ray prefers or

2793
01:51:14,629 --> 01:51:12,239
uap or ufo type um

2794
01:51:17,350 --> 01:51:14,639
optical data

2795
01:51:20,390 --> 01:51:17,360
and information so

2796
01:51:23,990 --> 01:51:20,400
i think it's great you know being a

2797
01:51:25,270 --> 01:51:24,000
millennial or you know it is and i think

2798
01:51:27,510 --> 01:51:25,280
right now

2799
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:27,520
they're so blessed you know god all i

2800
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,239
had was tinker toys an erector set and

2801
01:51:34,870 --> 01:51:31,840
uh

2802
01:51:36,709 --> 01:51:34,880
lincoln logs or something you know and i

2803
01:51:39,270 --> 01:51:36,719
think they're pros and cons to having

2804
01:51:41,350 --> 01:51:39,280
either of those you know technology or

2805
01:51:43,430 --> 01:51:41,360
or not i mean we kind of lose a lot of

2806
01:51:45,990 --> 01:51:43,440
our intuitive abilities the more

2807
01:51:46,950 --> 01:51:46,000
technology we get thrown in our way we

2808
01:51:48,790 --> 01:51:46,960
kind of

2809
01:51:50,870 --> 01:51:48,800
don't we lose those interpersonal skills

2810
01:51:52,870 --> 01:51:50,880
but i think that with the advancements

2811
01:51:54,950 --> 01:51:52,880
in technology the cool thing that we've

2812
01:51:57,189 --> 01:51:54,960
seen is the fact that you can get you

2813
01:52:00,149 --> 01:51:57,199
know night vision infrared technology

2814
01:52:03,030 --> 01:52:00,159
for a fraction of the cost and so this

2815
01:52:05,669 --> 01:52:03,040
is allowing people to from all over the

2816
01:52:09,510 --> 01:52:05,679
world to go out and on a fairly regular

2817
01:52:12,870 --> 01:52:09,520
basis videotape uh anomalous

2818
01:52:14,790 --> 01:52:12,880
things and so i've been you know working

2819
01:52:17,669 --> 01:52:14,800
with a few other people to find a

2820
01:52:19,430 --> 01:52:17,679
network of people that do that and then

2821
01:52:22,550 --> 01:52:19,440
what our goal is to try to develop

2822
01:52:25,109 --> 01:52:22,560
protocols so each of these people all

2823
01:52:26,870 --> 01:52:25,119
over the world can have specific things

2824
01:52:29,589 --> 01:52:26,880
that we're doing when we're

2825
01:52:32,709 --> 01:52:29,599
videotaping this and then if you know

2826
01:52:34,149 --> 01:52:32,719
somebody has an extra third gen uh

2827
01:52:38,470 --> 01:52:34,159
monocular

2828
01:52:43,109 --> 01:52:39,589
sedona

2829
01:52:45,109 --> 01:52:43,119
could use one

2830
01:52:47,109 --> 01:52:45,119
that would be i would that would be so

2831
01:52:49,510 --> 01:52:47,119
cool i mean we we could hear too but i

2832
01:52:51,589 --> 01:52:49,520
think that it's it's this is where we

2833
01:52:53,669 --> 01:52:51,599
need to go we need to start

2834
01:52:55,830 --> 01:52:53,679
making connections with people who are

2835
01:52:58,709 --> 01:52:55,840
really excited who have the equipment

2836
01:53:01,750 --> 01:52:58,719
who want to go out there and learn not

2837
01:53:03,830 --> 01:53:01,760
only about our natural world and space

2838
01:53:06,790 --> 01:53:03,840
but learn about all of these cool things

2839
01:53:08,950 --> 01:53:06,800
and and i just have to say that i i love

2840
01:53:11,030 --> 01:53:08,960
the work that airling strand and his

2841
01:53:13,510 --> 01:53:11,040
team do over in heshtallin

2842
01:53:15,189 --> 01:53:13,520
and that's really important that not

2843
01:53:17,109 --> 01:53:15,199
only the day that they've collected over

2844
01:53:19,830 --> 01:53:17,119
30 years but the fact that they're

2845
01:53:22,470 --> 01:53:19,840
taking college students out there for

2846
01:53:24,870 --> 01:53:22,480
science camp right to teach them how to

2847
01:53:27,030 --> 01:53:24,880
use equipment oh they have been doing

2848
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:27,040
that for decades too yes and that that's

2849
01:53:31,990 --> 01:53:29,599
what we that's how we need to to address

2850
01:53:34,229 --> 01:53:32,000
this we need to get people excited and

2851
01:53:37,510 --> 01:53:34,239
they can use technology

2852
01:53:38,390 --> 01:53:37,520
to do this so absolutely yeah that's why

2853
01:53:39,990 --> 01:53:38,400
um

2854
01:53:43,669 --> 01:53:40,000
you know the san luis valley camera

2855
01:53:46,790 --> 01:53:43,679
project is is so important and

2856
01:53:49,189 --> 01:53:46,800
you know unfortunately we're

2857
01:53:50,870 --> 01:53:49,199
we're now falling behind the curve of

2858
01:53:55,830 --> 01:53:50,880
technology our

2859
01:53:57,589 --> 01:53:55,840
all our our tech is now obsolete so

2860
01:53:59,830 --> 01:53:57,599
i go through all the

2861
01:54:01,430 --> 01:53:59,840
effort and energy to put up stuff that's

2862
01:54:05,109 --> 01:54:01,440
now you know

2863
01:54:06,550 --> 01:54:05,119
four generations five generations old

2864
01:54:12,310 --> 01:54:06,560
so

2865
01:54:15,109 --> 01:54:12,320
it's three steps forward you know

2866
01:54:16,709 --> 01:54:15,119
two and a half steps back

2867
01:54:19,109 --> 01:54:16,719
but um

2868
01:54:21,109 --> 01:54:19,119
ah time marches on it's cold up there

2869
01:54:22,390 --> 01:54:21,119
now so

2870
01:54:23,510 --> 01:54:22,400
that's true

2871
01:54:25,750 --> 01:54:23,520
yeah

2872
01:54:28,390 --> 01:54:25,760
it's cold up there

2873
01:54:31,750 --> 01:54:28,400
but uh yeah it'd be great to

2874
01:54:35,669 --> 01:54:31,760
team up with you and um

2875
01:54:39,189 --> 01:54:35,679
and go out on uh some cases uh

2876
01:54:42,070 --> 01:54:39,199
you know next time i'm up in your area

2877
01:54:44,870 --> 01:54:42,080
maybe we can go um

2878
01:54:47,030 --> 01:54:44,880
visit uh the basin

2879
01:54:48,870 --> 01:54:47,040
a couple of places awesome

2880
01:54:50,390 --> 01:54:48,880
i'd like to uh

2881
01:54:52,950 --> 01:54:50,400
check out because i've always thought

2882
01:54:54,629 --> 01:54:52,960
that the the ranch is a

2883
01:54:56,310 --> 01:54:54,639
is a bit of a red herring i think

2884
01:54:57,750 --> 01:54:56,320
there's a lot more interesting stuff

2885
01:54:59,430 --> 01:54:57,760
going on

2886
01:55:01,589 --> 01:54:59,440
further south

2887
01:55:03,750 --> 01:55:01,599
let's do it i just you know i've got a

2888
01:55:04,629 --> 01:55:03,760
truck and we can just head to the hills

2889
01:55:09,109 --> 01:55:04,639
and

2890
01:55:10,709 --> 01:55:09,119
equipment i've been you know just

2891
01:55:13,990 --> 01:55:10,719
getting more and more equipment as the

2892
01:55:16,470 --> 01:55:14,000
days go on and i think it'll be

2893
01:55:19,430 --> 01:55:16,480
very interesting and i think two out by

2894
01:55:21,030 --> 01:55:19,440
the in the dugway vicinity around there

2895
01:55:23,350 --> 01:55:21,040
you know there's also some

2896
01:55:24,709 --> 01:55:23,360
some interesting stuff that we see i

2897
01:55:27,109 --> 01:55:24,719
don't know how close we'd want to get

2898
01:55:29,270 --> 01:55:27,119
because i don't necessarily

2899
01:55:33,030 --> 01:55:29,280
what i was thinking is is the area

2900
01:55:35,669 --> 01:55:33,040
around green river um

2901
01:55:40,149 --> 01:55:35,679
that area north

2902
01:55:41,990 --> 01:55:40,159
along the green river north of 70.

2903
01:55:44,709 --> 01:55:42,000
and then also

2904
01:55:47,189 --> 01:55:44,719
the area just south of green river

2905
01:55:49,990 --> 01:55:47,199
kind of on highway 24

2906
01:55:53,030 --> 01:55:50,000
around the san rafael swell

2907
01:55:54,950 --> 01:55:53,040
that's where i hunt for um

2908
01:55:57,430 --> 01:55:54,960
agatized bone

2909
01:55:58,870 --> 01:55:57,440
down in that area that's a beautiful

2910
01:56:00,390 --> 01:55:58,880
area yeah

2911
01:56:04,550 --> 01:56:00,400
um

2912
01:56:06,149 --> 01:56:04,560
drive up

2913
01:56:10,310 --> 01:56:06,159
um

2914
01:56:12,629 --> 01:56:10,320
there the those

2915
01:56:15,990 --> 01:56:12,639
wonderful petroglyphs those guardians

2916
01:56:20,550 --> 01:56:17,910
let's make a plan we need to do that

2917
01:56:22,550 --> 01:56:20,560
maybe later in the summer we can

2918
01:56:24,870 --> 01:56:22,560
go cause some trouble

2919
01:56:26,470 --> 01:56:24,880
yeah yeah causing trouble that's my

2920
01:56:27,589 --> 01:56:26,480
middle name

2921
01:56:29,430 --> 01:56:27,599
yeah

2922
01:56:32,070 --> 01:56:29,440
because i don't have a middle name so of

2923
01:56:34,950 --> 01:56:32,080
course it has to be causing trouble

2924
01:56:36,229 --> 01:56:34,960
exactly that whole that whole stretch of

2925
01:56:39,109 --> 01:56:36,239
uh

2926
01:56:42,390 --> 01:56:39,119
of the of the the green

2927
01:56:43,750 --> 01:56:42,400
going up north of 70 there

2928
01:56:46,229 --> 01:56:43,760
there's

2929
01:56:48,070 --> 01:56:46,239
some really major activity uh always

2930
01:56:49,830 --> 01:56:48,080
going on up in there

2931
01:56:50,709 --> 01:56:49,840
and there has been for a long time yeah

2932
01:56:53,910 --> 01:56:50,719
yeah

2933
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:53,920
to put some

2934
01:56:58,709 --> 01:56:56,560
do some more research and and get some

2935
01:57:01,109 --> 01:56:58,719
more cases because that's typically an

2936
01:57:03,589 --> 01:57:01,119
area that i've i've been so focused on

2937
01:57:06,229 --> 01:57:03,599
the salt lake valley and then uh

2938
01:57:08,310 --> 01:57:06,239
kind of more towards in duchesne county

2939
01:57:12,149 --> 01:57:08,320
and things like that but it's a hole

2940
01:57:17,109 --> 01:57:14,310
well we'll get there yeah

2941
01:57:18,629 --> 01:57:17,119
we have a place to get to right now

2942
01:57:21,830 --> 01:57:18,639
and lots more questions from our

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listeners of our guest erica luke's

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2947
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2948
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his theories about roswell we'll find

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and a half years with erica lukes and

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chris o'brien talking about their travel

3074
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plans to do investigations we're also

3075
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inundated with questions from listeners

3076
02:03:07,910 --> 02:03:04,400
chris

3077
02:03:10,149 --> 02:03:07,920
uh yeah we we've got a few here

3078
02:03:13,350 --> 02:03:10,159
again i think

3079
02:03:15,589 --> 02:03:13,360
most of this is talking about

3080
02:03:17,990 --> 02:03:15,599
percentage of gender balance and all

3081
02:03:21,189 --> 02:03:18,000
that sort of thing and i i really don't

3082
02:03:22,870 --> 02:03:21,199
um i really don't think that that's

3083
02:03:27,109 --> 02:03:22,880
like i said before i really don't think

3084
02:03:31,990 --> 02:03:29,109
those aren't really the issues that you

3085
02:03:33,589 --> 02:03:32,000
are addressing correct erica uh

3086
02:03:35,750 --> 02:03:33,599
there's not

3087
02:03:38,390 --> 02:03:35,760
it's not so much gender

3088
02:03:40,709 --> 02:03:38,400
uh imbalance in terms of shared numbers

3089
02:03:42,950 --> 02:03:40,719
it's more of an attitude

3090
02:03:45,669 --> 02:03:42,960
and an actual um

3091
02:03:48,149 --> 02:03:45,679
ability to actually be taken seriously

3092
02:03:50,550 --> 02:03:48,159
and heard wouldn't you say yeah would

3093
02:03:53,189 --> 02:03:50,560
would that be more of the nature of

3094
02:03:55,189 --> 02:03:53,199
your concerns you know i think i i think

3095
02:03:57,189 --> 02:03:55,199
both of them are valid concerns i mean

3096
02:03:58,709 --> 02:03:57,199
we definitely don't have

3097
02:04:00,950 --> 02:03:58,719
a lot of women in the field we need to

3098
02:04:02,709 --> 02:04:00,960
get more in the field and i i definitely

3099
02:04:06,229 --> 02:04:02,719
think women aren't coming into this

3100
02:04:08,550 --> 02:04:06,239
field because they're not necessarily

3101
02:04:11,030 --> 02:04:08,560
taken as seriously as they should be and

3102
02:04:13,109 --> 02:04:11,040
and oftentimes you can

3103
02:04:15,589 --> 02:04:13,119
people are very quite sexist in this

3104
02:04:16,790 --> 02:04:15,599
field and that that's not everybody but

3105
02:04:19,430 --> 02:04:16,800
that is

3106
02:04:21,030 --> 02:04:19,440
is has been seen and many other women

3107
02:04:23,589 --> 02:04:21,040
have talked about that and those are

3108
02:04:25,910 --> 02:04:23,599
those are things we need to be

3109
02:04:27,750 --> 02:04:25,920
cognizant of and we need to address and

3110
02:04:29,109 --> 02:04:27,760
i think that people that are prominent

3111
02:04:32,629 --> 02:04:29,119
in the field

3112
02:04:36,149 --> 02:04:32,639
need to and organizations they need to

3113
02:04:39,030 --> 02:04:36,159
to enforce ethical behavior and and

3114
02:04:41,270 --> 02:04:39,040
fair treatment for everyone well

3115
02:04:42,709 --> 02:04:41,280
isn't that also kind of a society

3116
02:04:45,350 --> 02:04:42,719
problem

3117
02:04:48,550 --> 02:04:45,360
still unfortunately unfortunately yeah

3118
02:04:51,510 --> 02:04:48,560
it is yeah it is

3119
02:04:53,669 --> 02:04:51,520
well you know and it kind of gets into

3120
02:04:56,950 --> 02:04:53,679
more of a personal thing here too and

3121
02:05:01,669 --> 02:04:58,870
you know i i don't really want to go

3122
02:05:03,510 --> 02:05:01,679
into some of this so

3123
02:05:04,709 --> 02:05:03,520
kind of creating value judgments here

3124
02:05:08,629 --> 02:05:04,719
but but

3125
02:05:11,430 --> 02:05:08,639
for instance um srl

3126
02:05:13,350 --> 02:05:11,440
um who's been posting here uh jesus uh

3127
02:05:15,189 --> 02:05:13,360
six years

3128
02:05:17,589 --> 02:05:15,199
he comes out every now and then and and

3129
02:05:21,030 --> 02:05:17,599
posts uh stuff he says view by many is

3130
02:05:22,550 --> 02:05:21,040
primarily an entertainer performer

3131
02:05:23,910 --> 02:05:22,560
does your guest care if she is

3132
02:05:27,109 --> 02:05:23,920
believable

3133
02:05:29,270 --> 02:05:27,119
or does she opt to disagree

3134
02:05:31,189 --> 02:05:29,280
or disregard the critical lenses in

3135
02:05:33,589 --> 02:05:31,199
presenting narratives that may advance

3136
02:05:35,270 --> 02:05:33,599
her career

3137
02:05:36,950 --> 02:05:35,280
so

3138
02:05:41,109 --> 02:05:36,960
you know

3139
02:05:46,550 --> 02:05:43,510
where the the investigator researcher

3140
02:05:49,750 --> 02:05:46,560
hat comes off and the

3141
02:05:51,750 --> 02:05:49,760
radio host and and and radio show

3142
02:05:53,990 --> 02:05:51,760
personality hack goes on

3143
02:05:55,189 --> 02:05:54,000
and it's something that that well i mean

3144
02:05:57,030 --> 02:05:55,199
gene and i

3145
02:05:59,189 --> 02:05:57,040
are constantly dancing

3146
02:06:01,030 --> 02:05:59,199
underneath a variety of hats and if

3147
02:06:03,189 --> 02:06:01,040
you're presenting this type of

3148
02:06:09,510 --> 02:06:03,199
information to the public

3149
02:06:13,669 --> 02:06:11,189
you know i don't want to sound

3150
02:06:15,669 --> 02:06:13,679
hypocritical here at all

3151
02:06:17,589 --> 02:06:15,679
because i understand

3152
02:06:18,870 --> 02:06:17,599
and i get shellacked all the time for

3153
02:06:21,030 --> 02:06:18,880
for being

3154
02:06:23,109 --> 02:06:21,040
uh taking it easy on people and not

3155
02:06:23,910 --> 02:06:23,119
really pinning everybody's ears back

3156
02:06:26,790 --> 02:06:23,920
like

3157
02:06:28,870 --> 02:06:26,800
coming after you and saying well you

3158
02:06:32,470 --> 02:06:28,880
know all this stuff about equality and

3159
02:06:35,189 --> 02:06:32,480
blah blah and you know come come

3160
02:06:37,510 --> 02:06:35,199
back with any anything that is

3161
02:06:38,470 --> 02:06:37,520
not supportive of you

3162
02:06:40,629 --> 02:06:38,480
uh

3163
02:06:42,790 --> 02:06:40,639
would be what i think a lot of people

3164
02:06:45,189 --> 02:06:42,800
would be wanting to hear

3165
02:06:46,629 --> 02:06:45,199
and i really refuse to go there because

3166
02:06:48,790 --> 02:06:46,639
i know

3167
02:06:51,430 --> 02:06:48,800
when you and i have talked about this

3168
02:06:52,629 --> 02:06:51,440
already and now we're re-voicing our

3169
02:06:55,189 --> 02:06:52,639
concerns

3170
02:06:57,510 --> 02:06:55,199
that this is a real issue and there's no

3171
02:06:59,030 --> 02:06:57,520
way that i am going to sweep this under

3172
02:06:59,910 --> 02:06:59,040
the rug and say

3173
02:07:03,189 --> 02:06:59,920
no

3174
02:07:05,189 --> 02:07:03,199
good old boy network

3175
02:07:07,910 --> 02:07:05,199
that's preposterous

3176
02:07:11,510 --> 02:07:07,920
poppycock

3177
02:07:14,149 --> 02:07:11,520
knowing darn well that there is

3178
02:07:16,629 --> 02:07:14,159
you know and i i've i've been

3179
02:07:19,669 --> 02:07:16,639
totally um

3180
02:07:21,910 --> 02:07:19,679
slammed by the good old boys network and

3181
02:07:23,270 --> 02:07:21,920
the girl girls network

3182
02:07:27,030 --> 02:07:23,280
in

3183
02:07:29,109 --> 02:07:27,040
some sense of the word as well so

3184
02:07:31,510 --> 02:07:29,119
yeah it it and that's i mean

3185
02:07:33,109 --> 02:07:31,520
it's interesting to me that it's almost

3186
02:07:34,470 --> 02:07:33,119
like you're

3187
02:07:37,830 --> 02:07:34,480
uh i guess

3188
02:07:39,669 --> 02:07:37,840
punished because you're you enjoy or are

3189
02:07:42,550 --> 02:07:39,679
good at something

3190
02:07:43,669 --> 02:07:42,560
and and to me it's like when i

3191
02:07:46,870 --> 02:07:43,679
because i

3192
02:07:49,589 --> 02:07:46,880
spent my entire life uh

3193
02:07:51,270 --> 02:07:49,599
doing voiceovers um

3194
02:07:54,149 --> 02:07:51,280
i was you know professional singer i

3195
02:07:56,390 --> 02:07:54,159
mean so i am comfortable doing stuff

3196
02:07:58,470 --> 02:07:56,400
like this and when that's a skill set

3197
02:08:02,149 --> 02:07:58,480
that i have that i feel

3198
02:08:05,270 --> 02:08:02,159
i can utilize to get information out to

3199
02:08:07,189 --> 02:08:05,280
make the public more aware of this to

3200
02:08:08,470 --> 02:08:07,199
create a dialogue

3201
02:08:11,910 --> 02:08:08,480
then

3202
02:08:13,109 --> 02:08:11,920
you know if i'm um i guess if certain

3203
02:08:15,669 --> 02:08:13,119
people

3204
02:08:17,830 --> 02:08:15,679
uh would just would hold that against me

3205
02:08:20,310 --> 02:08:17,840
i guess that's their own problem because

3206
02:08:24,149 --> 02:08:20,320
i'm i'm using my skill set as we all

3207
02:08:27,189 --> 02:08:24,159
should to make this a better

3208
02:08:28,709 --> 02:08:27,199
situation for all of us and

3209
02:08:30,870 --> 02:08:28,719
i don't know i mean you know how it is

3210
02:08:33,030 --> 02:08:30,880
having a show i mean i know with with my

3211
02:08:33,910 --> 02:08:33,040
radio show i mean i pay i pay to have my

3212
02:08:36,629 --> 02:08:33,920
show

3213
02:08:37,830 --> 02:08:36,639
yeah i pay to do this to bring people

3214
02:08:41,350 --> 02:08:37,840
out there

3215
02:08:44,229 --> 02:08:41,360
so i can i can expose people to

3216
02:08:46,310 --> 02:08:44,239
new researchers or people that um aren't

3217
02:08:49,109 --> 02:08:46,320
talked about a lot that have good

3218
02:08:51,189 --> 02:08:49,119
relevant information to share

3219
02:08:52,470 --> 02:08:51,199
so it's just it's funny and i think the

3220
02:08:54,629 --> 02:08:52,480
more i'm

3221
02:08:57,109 --> 02:08:54,639
you know you get into this and you get

3222
02:08:59,270 --> 02:08:57,119
oh i don't know what kind of just

3223
02:09:01,270 --> 02:08:59,280
attacked but about

3224
02:09:03,030 --> 02:09:01,280
things like that you just think okay

3225
02:09:04,709 --> 02:09:03,040
well i'm doing the best i can and i know

3226
02:09:07,510 --> 02:09:04,719
that i'm behind the scenes i'm

3227
02:09:09,669 --> 02:09:07,520
dedicating a lot of time as i always

3228
02:09:12,069 --> 02:09:09,679
have since i got into this to

3229
02:09:14,550 --> 02:09:12,079
researching this in

3230
02:09:16,629 --> 02:09:14,560
in ways that a lot of other researchers

3231
02:09:18,390 --> 02:09:16,639
are not doing so i know what i'm doing

3232
02:09:19,669 --> 02:09:18,400
and i think chris you

3233
02:09:21,910 --> 02:09:19,679
you know you've talked to me you

3234
02:09:24,069 --> 02:09:21,920
understand what i'm trying to do i think

3235
02:09:26,550 --> 02:09:24,079
anybody that knows me understands

3236
02:09:30,830 --> 02:09:26,560
what i'm trying to do and

3237
02:09:36,950 --> 02:09:33,669
yeah you know it's a lot of it is just

3238
02:09:40,310 --> 02:09:36,960
it's absolutely thankless and

3239
02:09:42,310 --> 02:09:40,320
you know you really do have to um

3240
02:09:43,270 --> 02:09:42,320
be at peace with what your motivations

3241
02:09:45,589 --> 02:09:43,280
are

3242
02:09:48,550 --> 02:09:45,599
um if your motivations

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02:09:49,750 --> 02:09:48,560
are anything but pure

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you know

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02:09:55,669 --> 02:09:51,119
if the motive

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02:09:57,350 --> 02:09:55,679
correct that you have a

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uh if there's any sort of wobble

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in in the motivation in the force of

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motivation then forget it

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dollars and things like root canals can

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policies even if you're retired there

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[Music]

3376
02:15:02,709 --> 02:15:01,040
this is robert hastings author of ufos

3377
02:15:05,430 --> 02:15:02,719
and nukes and you're listening to the

3378
02:15:11,750 --> 02:15:05,440
paracast the gold standard of paranormal

3379
02:15:16,149 --> 02:15:13,750
okay so was that an accurate sound of a

3380
02:15:18,870 --> 02:15:16,159
lightsaber yeah

3381
02:15:20,950 --> 02:15:18,880
thanks for the bug zapper

3382
02:15:23,830 --> 02:15:20,960
i just wonder though in the rogue one

3383
02:15:25,589 --> 02:15:23,840
movie where they take a dead actor who's

3384
02:15:27,830 --> 02:15:25,599
been dead for what 30 years peter

3385
02:15:28,709 --> 02:15:27,840
cushing and he plays a big role in the

3386
02:15:29,990 --> 02:15:28,719
movie

3387
02:15:32,950 --> 02:15:30,000
oh really

3388
02:15:34,709 --> 02:15:32,960
he was the original general wasn't he

3389
02:15:38,870 --> 02:15:34,719
and he's in this movie

3390
02:15:42,310 --> 02:15:38,880
by having somebody about his size

3391
02:15:44,310 --> 02:15:42,320
and physique and they use motion capture

3392
02:15:46,870 --> 02:15:44,320
yeah dubbed over a photograph of peter

3393
02:15:48,149 --> 02:15:46,880
cushing and then somebody imitated his

3394
02:15:51,189 --> 02:15:48,159
voice

3395
02:15:55,270 --> 02:15:53,109
anyway that of course was greeted by

3396
02:15:57,589 --> 02:15:55,280
total silence there

3397
02:15:59,910 --> 02:15:57,599
which most things i say are these days

3398
02:16:01,750 --> 02:15:59,920
you know as you get older the respect

3399
02:16:03,669 --> 02:16:01,760
level just goes down

3400
02:16:05,830 --> 02:16:03,679
you know what can i tell you i didn't

3401
02:16:07,030 --> 02:16:05,840
get a chance to go see it i went and saw

3402
02:16:09,030 --> 02:16:07,040
a rival

3403
02:16:11,109 --> 02:16:09,040
we've never talked about what i thought

3404
02:16:12,470 --> 02:16:11,119
about the movie arrival

3405
02:16:14,870 --> 02:16:12,480
that's a good movie actually i just saw

3406
02:16:16,550 --> 02:16:14,880
that last week yeah

3407
02:16:18,229 --> 02:16:16,560
yeah i i

3408
02:16:21,430 --> 02:16:18,239
really rather enjoyed it i thought it

3409
02:16:23,990 --> 02:16:21,440
was intelligent of course the ending you

3410
02:16:26,629 --> 02:16:24,000
know spoiler alert here

3411
02:16:29,510 --> 02:16:26,639
the ending left uh a lot to be desired

3412
02:16:30,390 --> 02:16:29,520
and is rather

3413
02:16:34,549 --> 02:16:30,400
you know

3414
02:16:37,349 --> 02:16:34,559
implausible and kind of like oh man

3415
02:16:39,990 --> 02:16:37,359
that's the best you could come up with

3416
02:16:42,709 --> 02:16:40,000
it's quite highly implausible the ending

3417
02:16:45,030 --> 02:16:42,719
but it works

3418
02:16:47,349 --> 02:16:45,040
for hollywood now of course when you're

3419
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:47,359
watching the woman who was the scientist

3420
02:16:51,110 --> 02:16:49,120
here the linguist

3421
02:16:52,070 --> 02:16:51,120
does the fact that she also plays lois

3422
02:16:54,230 --> 02:16:52,080
lane

3423
02:16:55,509 --> 02:16:54,240
in man of steel and batman v superman

3424
02:16:58,950 --> 02:16:55,519
etc

3425
02:17:01,589 --> 02:16:58,960
she's not typecast anymore no no no amy

3426
02:17:02,950 --> 02:17:01,599
adams is a very a very accomplished

3427
02:17:05,830 --> 02:17:02,960
actress and

3428
02:17:08,629 --> 02:17:05,840
she's very good in this very believable

3429
02:17:11,349 --> 02:17:08,639
i i've never seen her in any other

3430
02:17:13,110 --> 02:17:11,359
superman type movies so i'm

3431
02:17:14,709 --> 02:17:13,120
you're asking the wrong guy

3432
02:17:17,270 --> 02:17:14,719
i've only seen her in good dramatic

3433
02:17:18,870 --> 02:17:17,280
roles like this okay well of course then

3434
02:17:20,790 --> 02:17:18,880
your mind is not corrupted by the

3435
02:17:22,950 --> 02:17:20,800
presence in those moments but some

3436
02:17:25,030 --> 02:17:22,960
really top-notch actors appear in

3437
02:17:26,790 --> 02:17:25,040
superhero films and they go out get

3438
02:17:28,629 --> 02:17:26,800
nominated for academy awards and

3439
02:17:30,629 --> 02:17:28,639
everything yes by the way my son and i

3440
02:17:32,389 --> 02:17:30,639
did see rogue one

3441
02:17:35,030 --> 02:17:32,399
and i thought of

3442
02:17:37,110 --> 02:17:35,040
the star wars kind of movie

3443
02:17:38,950 --> 02:17:37,120
it was quite well done i enjoyed it more

3444
02:17:40,389 --> 02:17:38,960
than force awakens

3445
02:17:42,950 --> 02:17:40,399
but that is all i'm going to say about

3446
02:17:44,230 --> 02:17:42,960
it because chris you'll probably never

3447
02:17:47,030 --> 02:17:44,240
see it

3448
02:17:48,389 --> 02:17:47,040
um i'd like to i try to see all the star

3449
02:17:50,469 --> 02:17:48,399
wars movies

3450
02:17:52,309 --> 02:17:50,479
uh on the big screen

3451
02:17:54,549 --> 02:17:52,319
i think i missed a couple of the ones

3452
02:17:56,389 --> 02:17:54,559
where it got really dark

3453
02:17:58,790 --> 02:17:56,399
you know the ones in the

3454
02:18:02,389 --> 02:17:58,800
early 2000s

3455
02:18:04,790 --> 02:18:02,399
to mid 2000s there like 2006 seven

3456
02:18:06,950 --> 02:18:04,800
a couple of those i missed but i've seen

3457
02:18:09,429 --> 02:18:06,960
most of them in the theater

3458
02:18:11,509 --> 02:18:09,439
well a lot of people are as we

3459
02:18:13,629 --> 02:18:11,519
are talking and doing the show

3460
02:18:16,790 --> 02:18:13,639
the movie is grossed worldwide

3461
02:18:19,030 --> 02:18:16,800
817 million dollars well

3462
02:18:21,110 --> 02:18:19,040
so disney is making a lot of money from

3463
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:21,120
the billions they pay george lucas for

3464
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:22,240
lucasfilm

3465
02:18:26,870 --> 02:18:23,359
right

3466
02:18:29,589 --> 02:18:26,880
is it nice that somebody is making money

3467
02:18:31,910 --> 02:18:29,599
yeah and j.j abrams i think isn't he

3468
02:18:34,709 --> 02:18:31,920
involved he was not involved in this

3469
02:18:37,190 --> 02:18:34,719
particular film he did force awakens and

3470
02:18:39,589 --> 02:18:37,200
his production company has done stuff

3471
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:39,599
but his production company that's bad

3472
02:18:44,790 --> 02:18:41,519
robot productions

3473
02:18:47,349 --> 02:18:44,800
is also doing the star trek films

3474
02:18:50,469 --> 02:18:47,359
i am not a super fan

3475
02:18:52,230 --> 02:18:50,479
of the work of jj abrams by the way

3476
02:18:54,309 --> 02:18:52,240
oh boy

3477
02:18:56,389 --> 02:18:54,319
some more questions from our listeners

3478
02:19:01,589 --> 02:18:56,399
um

3479
02:19:03,750 --> 02:19:01,599
you know it's all it's all basically the

3480
02:19:05,669 --> 02:19:03,760
pretty much the same thing here

3481
02:19:07,110 --> 02:19:05,679
uh it actually

3482
02:19:09,110 --> 02:19:07,120
because you didn't put your foot down

3483
02:19:10,790 --> 02:19:09,120
and say just ask questions

3484
02:19:13,750 --> 02:19:10,800
it basically

3485
02:19:14,629 --> 02:19:13,760
is now breaking down into uh

3486
02:19:17,190 --> 02:19:14,639
people

3487
02:19:20,230 --> 02:19:17,200
discussing points

3488
02:19:22,629 --> 02:19:20,240
brought up by the idea of addressing

3489
02:19:25,509 --> 02:19:22,639
women's role in ufology

3490
02:19:27,110 --> 02:19:25,519
of course it's sparking live lively

3491
02:19:28,870 --> 02:19:27,120
conversation

3492
02:19:30,389 --> 02:19:28,880
um on our forums

3493
02:19:32,230 --> 02:19:30,399
it is that's good and i did notice

3494
02:19:34,150 --> 02:19:32,240
because i'm just in the forum and i just

3495
02:19:36,950 --> 02:19:34,160
want to say that you're i love the

3496
02:19:38,389 --> 02:19:36,960
comments that everybody makes in there i

3497
02:19:40,549 --> 02:19:38,399
really think they're

3498
02:19:42,549 --> 02:19:40,559
pretty awesome and i learned a lot from

3499
02:19:44,469 --> 02:19:42,559
them but i know that there was one

3500
02:19:47,110 --> 02:19:44,479
uh person that had not really heard

3501
02:19:48,549 --> 02:19:47,120
about the american airlines case

3502
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:48,559
and

3503
02:19:52,389 --> 02:19:50,720
yeah that's one that i was going to ask

3504
02:19:54,950 --> 02:19:52,399
you about and

3505
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,960
also um

3506
02:19:59,670 --> 02:19:57,200
just ask about um

3507
02:20:00,790 --> 02:19:59,680
utah cases in general and

3508
02:20:02,790 --> 02:20:00,800
and

3509
02:20:04,070 --> 02:20:02,800
you know having had your finger on the

3510
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:04,080
pulse of

3511
02:20:09,110 --> 02:20:06,319
of the report uh

3512
02:20:12,710 --> 02:20:09,120
process there for a number of years

3513
02:20:14,790 --> 02:20:12,720
um what turns you on about the

3514
02:20:16,469 --> 02:20:14,800
areas there and uh

3515
02:20:18,870 --> 02:20:16,479
what what type of work do you think we

3516
02:20:22,950 --> 02:20:18,880
need to be doing um there

3517
02:20:24,790 --> 02:20:22,960
so what uh what we have noticed in my uh

3518
02:20:26,710 --> 02:20:24,800
the assistant my former assistant

3519
02:20:28,230 --> 02:20:26,720
director of mufon is now my research

3520
02:20:29,670 --> 02:20:28,240
partner here and

3521
02:20:31,429 --> 02:20:29,680
we've gone through thousands and

3522
02:20:34,230 --> 02:20:31,439
thousands of cases from the mufon

3523
02:20:36,950 --> 02:20:34,240
database from new fork and we have

3524
02:20:38,790 --> 02:20:36,960
identified specific areas where there

3525
02:20:40,870 --> 02:20:38,800
are sightings clusters

3526
02:20:43,510 --> 02:20:40,880
and particularly as i mentioned in the

3527
02:20:46,710 --> 02:20:43,520
beginning of the show there are places

3528
02:20:48,389 --> 02:20:46,720
in the salt lake valley that seem to be

3529
02:20:50,469 --> 02:20:48,399
kind of on the the periphery of the

3530
02:20:52,710 --> 02:20:50,479
valley you've got uh

3531
02:20:55,110 --> 02:20:52,720
the copper mines you have

3532
02:20:57,349 --> 02:20:55,120
bonneville salt flats or the great salt

3533
02:21:00,389 --> 02:20:57,359
lake the international airport hill air

3534
02:21:02,790 --> 02:21:00,399
force base in dugway and so

3535
02:21:05,990 --> 02:21:02,800
the sightings are frequently in these

3536
02:21:07,190 --> 02:21:06,000
areas as they have been for decades and

3537
02:21:09,670 --> 02:21:07,200
we have

3538
02:21:11,910 --> 02:21:09,680
a couple different cases that i know

3539
02:21:14,070 --> 02:21:11,920
actually more than that where you have

3540
02:21:15,990 --> 02:21:14,080
pilots coming in and out of the

3541
02:21:17,270 --> 02:21:16,000
international airport

3542
02:21:19,910 --> 02:21:17,280
that are

3543
02:21:21,990 --> 02:21:19,920
seeing objects and i had

3544
02:21:24,309 --> 02:21:22,000
actually one case where

3545
02:21:27,990 --> 02:21:24,319
i had a friend of mine who's a talk show

3546
02:21:30,309 --> 02:21:28,000
host pat daniels who has fringe radio

3547
02:21:31,349 --> 02:21:30,319
and he is a ham operator and he was

3548
02:21:32,950 --> 02:21:31,359
scanning

3549
02:21:36,550 --> 02:21:32,960
police frequencies

3550
02:21:38,630 --> 02:21:36,560
one night and overheard a com a pilot or

3551
02:21:41,830 --> 02:21:38,640
a member of the flight crew

3552
02:21:43,750 --> 02:21:41,840
coming over nephi the nephi area who

3553
02:21:46,630 --> 02:21:43,760
had reported that there was in the first

3554
02:21:48,550 --> 02:21:46,640
transmission uh a large

3555
02:21:51,190 --> 02:21:48,560
object that was keeping pace with his

3556
02:21:53,190 --> 02:21:51,200
plane a large orange object

3557
02:21:55,510 --> 02:21:53,200
and then

3558
02:21:56,790 --> 02:21:55,520
you know when i i talked to him after he

3559
02:21:59,030 --> 02:21:56,800
told me about a couple of these

3560
02:22:01,190 --> 02:21:59,040
transmissions and he was after listening

3561
02:22:03,750 --> 02:22:01,200
and scanning frequencies for a couple

3562
02:22:06,710 --> 02:22:03,760
decades he said he'd never heard

3563
02:22:10,150 --> 02:22:06,720
a conversation like this yeah would give

3564
02:22:12,230 --> 02:22:10,160
us a time frame so that was back in in

3565
02:22:18,150 --> 02:22:12,240
january

3566
02:22:23,429 --> 02:22:18,160
this year or two 2016.

3567
02:22:26,309 --> 02:22:23,439
and so it was about 208 a.m and i got a

3568
02:22:27,670 --> 02:22:26,319
hold of him and and was able i mean i

3569
02:22:31,190 --> 02:22:27,680
know that he's a

3570
02:22:32,309 --> 02:22:31,200
solid human being and so we got in

3571
02:22:33,990 --> 02:22:32,319
to the

3572
02:22:36,790 --> 02:22:34,000
the atc

3573
02:22:38,309 --> 02:22:36,800
website and we were able to scan through

3574
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,319
or listen to

3575
02:22:42,710 --> 02:22:40,399
different frequencies and we were able

3576
02:22:44,550 --> 02:22:42,720
to obtain a portion of that conversation

3577
02:22:46,309 --> 02:22:44,560
that he was referring to

3578
02:22:49,590 --> 02:22:46,319
which further

3579
02:22:52,469 --> 02:22:49,600
validated what he was saying

3580
02:22:55,110 --> 02:22:52,479
and it was from there that i called in

3581
02:22:57,750 --> 02:22:55,120
bill puckett and we were able to track

3582
02:22:58,790 --> 02:22:57,760
down the air flight that that was in

3583
02:23:01,750 --> 02:22:58,800
question

3584
02:23:02,830 --> 02:23:01,760
and we submitted a foyer request for

3585
02:23:05,590 --> 02:23:02,840
radar

3586
02:23:08,389 --> 02:23:05,600
audio and the tower logs

3587
02:23:11,270 --> 02:23:08,399
about eight weeks after we submitted the

3588
02:23:13,910 --> 02:23:11,280
request we amazingly enough did get back

3589
02:23:15,190 --> 02:23:13,920
a portion of the audio which

3590
02:23:19,830 --> 02:23:15,200
is

3591
02:23:21,030 --> 02:23:19,840
available and um on the ufo's northwest

3592
02:23:23,590 --> 02:23:21,040
website

3593
02:23:27,590 --> 02:23:23,600
and we also obtained some pretty

3594
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:27,600
significant radar which was uh curious

3595
02:23:31,990 --> 02:23:29,200
and i don't know if you're familiar with

3596
02:23:33,670 --> 02:23:32,000
william puckett but he's done work in

3597
02:23:36,630 --> 02:23:33,680
this field for

3598
02:23:39,190 --> 02:23:36,640
15 years and he worked on stephensville

3599
02:23:41,670 --> 02:23:39,200
and his thoughts were after he analyzed

3600
02:23:43,670 --> 02:23:41,680
the radar was that this was

3601
02:23:46,950 --> 02:23:43,680
the most extraordinary case that he'd

3602
02:23:49,190 --> 02:23:46,960
seen with regard to radar data and the

3603
02:23:51,270 --> 02:23:49,200
interesting thing and a great thing for

3604
02:23:53,910 --> 02:23:51,280
us was that the two towers

3605
02:23:55,990 --> 02:23:53,920
were so far away from where

3606
02:23:58,630 --> 02:23:56,000
the sighting took place that we were

3607
02:24:01,830 --> 02:23:58,640
able to safely rule out any anomalous

3608
02:24:04,150 --> 02:24:01,840
propagation and things and so it was it

3609
02:24:06,950 --> 02:24:04,160
was a great case and i will actually on

3610
02:24:09,910 --> 02:24:06,960
my ufo classified website i'll put the

3611
02:24:12,070 --> 02:24:09,920
radio the audio that we obtained

3612
02:24:14,070 --> 02:24:12,080
and a portion of that was we feel was

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the radar analysis and that i'll put

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3721
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i like the way you're just perky there

3722
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3723
02:29:09,030 --> 02:29:07,840
you know occasionally i'm trying to stay

3724
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awake too

3725
02:29:11,990 --> 02:29:10,560
this is late for me i'm kidding i'm

3726
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kidding i'm not that old yet i don't

3727
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have to go to sleep every 10 minutes

3728
02:29:18,950 --> 02:29:15,600
yeah

3729
02:29:21,349 --> 02:29:18,960
oh man you sound like help help i've

3730
02:29:24,309 --> 02:29:21,359
been living my life here the last three

3731
02:29:27,349 --> 02:29:24,319
weeks i wake up and i don't know if it's

3732
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:27,359
six uh in the afternoon or six in the

3733
02:29:30,469 --> 02:29:28,319
morning

3734
02:29:31,990 --> 02:29:30,479
wow i'm panicking going

3735
02:29:34,710 --> 02:29:32,000
what day is it

3736
02:29:36,950 --> 02:29:34,720
you sound like a musician good lord

3737
02:29:39,110 --> 02:29:36,960
well i've just been battling this

3738
02:29:41,030 --> 02:29:39,120
respiratory infection

3739
02:29:42,790 --> 02:29:41,040
and of course i have to get up at the

3740
02:29:44,790 --> 02:29:42,800
crack of dawn

3741
02:29:48,550 --> 02:29:44,800
when i'm driving so

3742
02:29:50,870 --> 02:29:48,560
i have to time all my my lung sessions

3743
02:29:52,950 --> 02:29:50,880
with my nebulizer and all everything has

3744
02:29:53,910 --> 02:29:52,960
to be timed yeah

3745
02:29:54,710 --> 02:29:53,920
yeah

3746
02:29:56,790 --> 02:29:54,720
so

3747
02:29:58,230 --> 02:29:56,800
it's getting better though you've got to

3748
02:30:00,070 --> 02:29:58,240
admit it's getting better right it's

3749
02:30:01,670 --> 02:30:00,080
getting better all the time

3750
02:30:04,950 --> 02:30:01,680
yes it is

3751
02:30:05,830 --> 02:30:04,960
it can't get no worse i knew he'd do

3752
02:30:06,710 --> 02:30:05,840
that

3753
02:30:08,550 --> 02:30:06,720
yeah

3754
02:30:09,910 --> 02:30:08,560
i gave him the opening

3755
02:30:11,190 --> 02:30:09,920
so anyway

3756
02:30:14,150 --> 02:30:11,200
yeah let's

3757
02:30:16,710 --> 02:30:14,160
talk a little bit more about some of the

3758
02:30:19,830 --> 02:30:16,720
cases that you became involved with

3759
02:30:23,429 --> 02:30:19,840
during your time there as a

3760
02:30:25,349 --> 02:30:23,439
state director of mufon this was i mean

3761
02:30:27,750 --> 02:30:25,359
an exceptional case and because you had

3762
02:30:28,790 --> 02:30:27,760
so much evidence to back it up of

3763
02:30:32,389 --> 02:30:28,800
somebody

3764
02:30:35,510 --> 02:30:32,399
in you know a crew an air airplane and

3765
02:30:38,790 --> 02:30:35,520
that's reliable witnesses there they

3766
02:30:40,550 --> 02:30:38,800
don't take this lightly you know and so

3767
02:30:41,910 --> 02:30:40,560
that was wonderful it was wonderful to

3768
02:30:44,230 --> 02:30:41,920
have the radar

3769
02:30:46,550 --> 02:30:44,240
and all of that and to me

3770
02:30:48,469 --> 02:30:46,560
it's just important but it's only a

3771
02:30:50,230 --> 02:30:48,479
small piece of what's happening so

3772
02:30:52,469 --> 02:30:50,240
that's when you know a case like this

3773
02:30:53,990 --> 02:30:52,479
i'm going back and i'm looking through

3774
02:30:56,630 --> 02:30:54,000
all of the old

3775
02:30:58,550 --> 02:30:56,640
cases including a blue book case and i'm

3776
02:31:01,990 --> 02:30:58,560
hopefully going to be writing

3777
02:31:05,670 --> 02:31:02,000
a paper on on all of the correlations

3778
02:31:07,590 --> 02:31:05,680
that i am making here there's also

3779
02:31:10,469 --> 02:31:07,600
another case that was a mass

3780
02:31:12,630 --> 02:31:10,479
sighting in 2014

3781
02:31:14,630 --> 02:31:12,640
here at daylight sighting that took

3782
02:31:15,750 --> 02:31:14,640
place on october 2nd and then the next

3783
02:31:18,230 --> 02:31:15,760
day

3784
02:31:19,990 --> 02:31:18,240
there were reports all over colorado

3785
02:31:22,309 --> 02:31:20,000
you know it was very

3786
02:31:24,469 --> 02:31:22,319
interesting to see the same types of

3787
02:31:26,150 --> 02:31:24,479
white spherical objects

3788
02:31:27,750 --> 02:31:26,160
they were seen over the salt lake valley

3789
02:31:30,150 --> 02:31:27,760
there were five to seven of them

3790
02:31:31,910 --> 02:31:30,160
hovering some witness accounts say

3791
02:31:32,870 --> 02:31:31,920
upwards of an hour

3792
02:31:35,110 --> 02:31:32,880
and then

3793
02:31:37,830 --> 02:31:35,120
departing really quicker than an

3794
02:31:40,309 --> 02:31:37,840
airplane could behaving in ways that

3795
02:31:43,429 --> 02:31:40,319
it's just not possible for conventional

3796
02:31:46,070 --> 02:31:43,439
aircraft again i requested some radar

3797
02:31:49,030 --> 02:31:46,080
information and received unreadable text

3798
02:31:51,030 --> 02:31:49,040
format back from the faa

3799
02:31:53,670 --> 02:31:51,040
which was interesting to me

3800
02:31:56,230 --> 02:31:53,680
well perhaps a little telling thanks for

3801
02:31:58,309 --> 02:31:56,240
your cooperation

3802
02:32:00,790 --> 02:31:58,319
you know again it's like you look at

3803
02:32:03,190 --> 02:32:00,800
a case like that and i'm still

3804
02:32:06,070 --> 02:32:03,200
getting people coming forward about this

3805
02:32:07,270 --> 02:32:06,080
case and then you start looking at

3806
02:32:09,190 --> 02:32:07,280
some of the other cases that we're

3807
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:09,200
coming in to move on and are still we're

3808
02:32:12,870 --> 02:32:11,520
still receiving now the same types of

3809
02:32:14,870 --> 02:32:12,880
objects

3810
02:32:17,429 --> 02:32:14,880
you know what are they yeah they're very

3811
02:32:20,070 --> 02:32:17,439
common uh in the

3812
02:32:21,190 --> 02:32:20,080
rocky mountain states

3813
02:32:22,630 --> 02:32:21,200
especially

3814
02:32:27,030 --> 02:32:22,640
colorado

3815
02:32:27,910 --> 02:32:27,040
utah uh these silver uh spheres

3816
02:32:29,910 --> 02:32:27,920
and

3817
02:32:31,590 --> 02:32:29,920
you know sometimes they are

3818
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:31,600
helicopters seen

3819
02:32:37,190 --> 02:32:34,640
at just the perfect angle for

3820
02:32:39,830 --> 02:32:37,200
the sun light to

3821
02:32:41,830 --> 02:32:39,840
you know bloom out of control

3822
02:32:43,510 --> 02:32:41,840
hitting at the right angle

3823
02:32:44,870 --> 02:32:43,520
with the

3824
02:32:47,030 --> 02:32:44,880
convex

3825
02:32:49,110 --> 02:32:47,040
curved windscreen

3826
02:32:51,750 --> 02:32:49,120
on these helicopters

3827
02:32:54,230 --> 02:32:51,760
i've got footage from our beta run with

3828
02:32:56,790 --> 02:32:54,240
the san luis valley uh camera project

3829
02:32:59,030 --> 02:32:56,800
where a small two two man helicopter

3830
02:33:01,110 --> 02:32:59,040
comes in in the frame

3831
02:33:03,590 --> 02:33:01,120
and it's about the first second you can

3832
02:33:06,550 --> 02:33:03,600
tell it's a helicopter and then the sun

3833
02:33:09,830 --> 02:33:06,560
hits that perfect angle and the light

3834
02:33:10,870 --> 02:33:09,840
just blooms into this perfect silver

3835
02:33:13,750 --> 02:33:10,880
sphere

3836
02:33:16,309 --> 02:33:13,760
that then shoots across the frame and

3837
02:33:18,790 --> 02:33:16,319
all i would have had to have done is

3838
02:33:21,910 --> 02:33:18,800
cut off the first second

3839
02:33:23,590 --> 02:33:21,920
and then show just the silver sphere and

3840
02:33:26,550 --> 02:33:23,600
it would be some of the most amazing

3841
02:33:27,830 --> 02:33:26,560
daylight footage you ever saw

3842
02:33:28,550 --> 02:33:27,840
it's interesting you do have to go

3843
02:33:31,270 --> 02:33:28,560
through

3844
02:33:33,190 --> 02:33:31,280
a process of ruling out okay what is the

3845
02:33:35,590 --> 02:33:33,200
conventional explanation for this well

3846
02:33:37,830 --> 02:33:35,600
blah you know blah blah there were some

3847
02:33:39,429 --> 02:33:37,840
interesting things and there were people

3848
02:33:41,830 --> 02:33:39,439
that some investigators that thought

3849
02:33:43,590 --> 02:33:41,840
they were google loon balloons

3850
02:33:46,150 --> 02:33:43,600
which i have

3851
02:33:47,830 --> 02:33:46,160
i believe disproven because first of all

3852
02:33:50,550 --> 02:33:47,840
the google loon wasn't launching

3853
02:33:52,389 --> 02:33:50,560
balloons in northern america at the time

3854
02:33:54,309 --> 02:33:52,399
they wouldn't be launching

3855
02:33:56,550 --> 02:33:54,319
objects that were in the flight corridor

3856
02:33:58,710 --> 02:33:56,560
for the international airport

3857
02:34:01,510 --> 02:33:58,720
their balloons they typically didn't

3858
02:34:03,910 --> 02:34:01,520
launch five to seven of them they are

3859
02:34:06,469 --> 02:34:03,920
subject to the wind patterns currents

3860
02:34:09,270 --> 02:34:06,479
and they don't hover in place for

3861
02:34:10,710 --> 02:34:09,280
upwards of an hour and then move the way

3862
02:34:12,870 --> 02:34:10,720
these objects were seen and they also

3863
02:34:14,309 --> 02:34:12,880
have transponders and there was no

3864
02:34:16,630 --> 02:34:14,319
transponder

3865
02:34:19,190 --> 02:34:16,640
yeah exactly where they are yeah exactly

3866
02:34:21,110 --> 02:34:19,200
and so i mean right there that takes the

3867
02:34:22,630 --> 02:34:21,120
the google loon off the

3868
02:34:24,230 --> 02:34:22,640
table and then you've got the fact that

3869
02:34:25,830 --> 02:34:24,240
witnesses were talking about them over

3870
02:34:27,990 --> 02:34:25,840
the nsa

3871
02:34:30,790 --> 02:34:28,000
which is the most highly restricted

3872
02:34:32,870 --> 02:34:30,800
airspace in the world um

3873
02:34:34,469 --> 02:34:32,880
you know so there are all sorts of

3874
02:34:36,309 --> 02:34:34,479
interesting things about this but we

3875
02:34:38,630 --> 02:34:36,319
really felt that we kind of put it

3876
02:34:40,150 --> 02:34:38,640
through the paces and there was much

3877
02:34:42,070 --> 02:34:40,160
more to the story and then you add in

3878
02:34:45,349 --> 02:34:42,080
the fact that you're not getting

3879
02:34:47,030 --> 02:34:45,359
the correct information from the fda

3880
02:34:49,429 --> 02:34:47,040
i was going to say you're unable to

3881
02:34:51,910 --> 02:34:49,439
let's say put a freedom of information

3882
02:34:55,190 --> 02:34:51,920
act request in for anything having to do

3883
02:34:56,710 --> 02:34:55,200
with the nro which is that one agency

3884
02:34:58,550 --> 02:34:56,720
that nobody

3885
02:35:00,309 --> 02:34:58,560
ever talks about

3886
02:35:03,030 --> 02:35:00,319
and they're the ones sitting on the gold

3887
02:35:05,349 --> 02:35:03,040
mine of data they're sitting on all that

3888
02:35:07,510 --> 02:35:05,359
satellite data that's being accumulated

3889
02:35:08,469 --> 02:35:07,520
every second of every day

3890
02:35:12,710 --> 02:35:08,479
and

3891
02:35:15,270 --> 02:35:12,720
the national reconnaissance office

3892
02:35:17,030 --> 02:35:15,280
look that one up folks

3893
02:35:19,270 --> 02:35:17,040
i asked john alexander how come you

3894
02:35:21,990 --> 02:35:19,280
never mentioned one time in your book on

3895
02:35:24,389 --> 02:35:22,000
ufos the nro

3896
02:35:29,830 --> 02:35:26,950
i didn't

3897
02:35:31,830 --> 02:35:29,840
no john you never mentioned the nro

3898
02:35:36,710 --> 02:35:31,840
so it's kind of like jackie gleason in

3899
02:35:42,150 --> 02:35:38,000
i didn't

3900
02:35:47,030 --> 02:35:44,469
that was great

3901
02:35:47,910 --> 02:35:47,040
so i don't know

3902
02:35:50,150 --> 02:35:47,920
you know

3903
02:35:52,630 --> 02:35:50,160
one more question folks before we let

3904
02:35:54,870 --> 02:35:52,640
erica leave with elvis in the building

3905
02:35:56,870 --> 02:35:54,880
yeah all right erica

3906
02:35:59,030 --> 02:35:56,880
what are your plans for the future here

3907
02:36:01,270 --> 02:35:59,040
to help get things together in this

3908
02:36:03,270 --> 02:36:01,280
crazy quilt field

3909
02:36:04,950 --> 02:36:03,280
oh lord have mercy well it will involve

3910
02:36:07,030 --> 02:36:04,960
a lot of therapy perhaps some

3911
02:36:09,670 --> 02:36:07,040
prescription medication i don't know not

3912
02:36:13,190 --> 02:36:09,680
really but

3913
02:36:14,469 --> 02:36:13,200
uh i you know i my my goals are i'm just

3914
02:36:15,349 --> 02:36:14,479
gonna keep on

3915
02:36:19,349 --> 02:36:15,359
doing

3916
02:36:21,670 --> 02:36:19,359
different people all over the world and

3917
02:36:23,030 --> 02:36:21,680
trying to compile information trying to

3918
02:36:25,030 --> 02:36:23,040
come up with

3919
02:36:27,190 --> 02:36:25,040
new strategies for

3920
02:36:29,270 --> 02:36:27,200
researching this and

3921
02:36:31,590 --> 02:36:29,280
i hope that i can

3922
02:36:33,270 --> 02:36:31,600
encourage people to take a different

3923
02:36:35,910 --> 02:36:33,280
look at this and and

3924
02:36:38,230 --> 02:36:35,920
i hope that i can encourage people to be

3925
02:36:40,790 --> 02:36:38,240
behave more ethically and when there's

3926
02:36:43,270 --> 02:36:40,800
something going on in a field it's it's

3927
02:36:45,190 --> 02:36:43,280
always important to look at both sides

3928
02:36:47,030 --> 02:36:45,200
and the very least if you're adults you

3929
02:36:48,950 --> 02:36:47,040
can reach out and talk to the other

3930
02:36:51,429 --> 02:36:48,960
person about things to clarify things

3931
02:36:53,910 --> 02:36:51,439
and i think that we all should try to do

3932
02:36:56,710 --> 02:36:53,920
that and i hope that that we can i i

3933
02:36:59,030 --> 02:36:56,720
really am positive for the future

3934
02:37:00,469 --> 02:36:59,040
erica would you tell our listeners where

3935
02:37:02,469 --> 02:37:00,479
they can find more

3936
02:37:05,830 --> 02:37:02,479
information about what you do

3937
02:37:07,910 --> 02:37:05,840
yes you can go to ufoclassified.com

3938
02:37:10,309 --> 02:37:07,920
and i will be trying to update that and

3939
02:37:11,910 --> 02:37:10,319
i'm always on my shows and talking about

3940
02:37:13,429 --> 02:37:11,920
the research and things that i'm

3941
02:37:15,270 --> 02:37:13,439
involved in

3942
02:37:17,270 --> 02:37:15,280
and i will be speaking at the ufo

3943
02:37:19,910 --> 02:37:17,280
congress coming up in february which

3944
02:37:21,670 --> 02:37:19,920
will be good and you can find a link to

3945
02:37:23,910 --> 02:37:21,680
that on my my website or find me on

3946
02:37:25,429 --> 02:37:23,920
facebook send me a message

3947
02:37:28,389 --> 02:37:25,439
of course that means she has to buy

3948
02:37:30,389 --> 02:37:28,399
lunch for me and chris that's it i will

3949
02:37:31,990 --> 02:37:30,399
okay we'll look for the best restaurant

3950
02:37:35,190 --> 02:37:32,000
the most not the most expensive we're

3951
02:37:37,590 --> 02:37:35,200
not really like that

3952
02:37:38,790 --> 02:37:37,600
in any case i'm excited to see it yeah

3953
02:37:40,790 --> 02:37:38,800
it'll be fun

3954
02:37:42,950 --> 02:37:40,800
you can also find us on twitter look for

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02:37:44,469 --> 02:37:42,960
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02:38:53,750 --> 02:38:51,760
it's been a blast erica lukes thanks for

3985
02:38:55,590 --> 02:38:53,760
joining us on the power cast

3986
02:39:04,630 --> 02:38:55,600
thank you it's always fun i appreciate

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02:39:10,389 --> 02:39:07,510
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